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[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 hours ago

I'm left leaning, aka a "lib" and I'm a fan of things that are anti-capitalist.

I think capitalism has outlived it's usefulness, just like religion did when we created modern criminal forensics.

At this point, we have so much in excess that if we did things in a reasonable and logical way, nobody would be homeless, nobody would go hungry.

The people with the power (money) don't want things to change, because they get to stay in power that way. The only way to oust them is to overthrow the system.

[–] Veneroso@lemmy.world 5 points 11 hours ago (4 children)
[–] Etterra@discuss.online 2 points 3 hours ago

They forgot the small amount of gravel.

[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

On a totally unrelated note, TM 31-201-1 page 78-82

[–] wabafee@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Hint of styrofoam for added spice.

[–] Rooty@lemmy.world 13 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Generic antiestablishmentarism isn't going to put you on a watchlist, this isn't the 1950s. Glowies have better tech nowadays.

[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 hours ago

If you wanna be on a list, start collecting old army field manuals. It's one thing to say "we should start fire bombing McDonald's," it's another thing to say "we should start fire bombing mcdonald's, and here's instructions on how to do it"

Not that we should be firebombong McDonald's lol I would never recommend that

But I would recommend reading TM 31-201-1, especially pages 78-82

[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 33 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I don't get lib as an insult. Seems like pretty much everyone on Lemmy is on liberal side of center. I've seen some hexbear users use it to refer to anyone who isn't as tankie as they are, but I don't get it.

[–] squid_slime@lemm.ee 7 points 16 hours ago

This is the american bastardised version of the word, a liberal has more context then centrist.

[–] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 64 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

The US uses lib to mean socially liberal, in opposition to the cons. The rest of the world uses it to mean fiscally liberal, as in support of not regulating capitalist markets, which is an anti worker position.

People often get pissy that a word can have more than one definition.

[–] Apytele@sh.itjust.works 10 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

I didn't even know the second definition existed at all. Ty for sharing.

[–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 4 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

Given the number of Americans on here it's now starting to make sense why I keep seeing commenters get snagged on the word "liberal."

Liberals are not progressive. At least not except incidentally. I think that's true everywhere...?

[–] roguetrick@lemmy.world 4 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

Progressive really isn't the catch all that people think it is. The existence of progressive conservative movements and self professed progressive christian Democrats in the past should be enough to prove that. It's a nice label to state the aspirations of your political ideology(and your results focused method) but not a way to describe your ideology.

One of America's most historically popular progressive politician who used government power to bust trusts and fight for "a fair deal", for example, was still an economic liberal, a conservative American exceptionalist and a warhawk.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodore_Roosevelt

[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Thank you, that makes more sense.

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[–] roguetrick@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

And even more generally, Western liberal democracy which most flavors of anarchism and socialism view as a system that is neither based on securing liberty or particularly democratic.

[–] sean@lemmy.wtf 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (24 children)

I'm an anarchist socialist. We hate tankies, we hate libs. Libs are capitalists. Tankies are authoritarian. We hate both of those. Eh not hate but you know what I mean. Not ideologically compatible, therefore not allowed in the commune and you aren't allowed to hurt others, and if I hear a lib say how they're going to employ someone or a tankie talk about a vanguard state I'm gonna be upset

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Tangent topic, but how does an anarchist system prevent popular leaders from gaining authority? Also, how does it defend against an aggressive authoritarian neighbour that wants to annex territory?

I like the idea of anarchism in theory, but I just don't see how it could be possible to get there from here where every existing power would see it as an ideological threat to their own power (similar to how capitalist powers reacted to communism), or how it would maintain stability if it was realized.

And as much as I don't like the monopoly on violence system because it seems to encourage corruption on the side with more access to violence, I can't help but think it would eventually devolve into a lot of in-fighting.

Like power constantly rises from nothing more than physical strength, charisma, or good strategic thinking in groups of humans. Some primates other than humans go to war with their neighbouring groups. Egypt became a kingdom when one tribe conquered the rest, and that one wasn't the first to try. Countless empires have risen and fallen, most of the time despite violent resistance of those who would rather be neighbours than subjects. The Vikings sailed around raiding for their own benefit and then later conquered regions like in France, Britain, Sicily, and Kiev. The Mongols did the same except using horses instead of boats. Then European powers did it. Then America started pretty much puppeting anyone who went against corporate interests while a cultural movement in Russia and China started out trying to move power out of the hands of their ruling class only to see even more authoritarian powers take over.

History is full of cases of "I don't care what you want, this is what I want and I'll just kill you if you don't go along with it." How could that change?

[–] Lazhward@lemmy.world 7 points 20 hours ago

Of course there's no easy answers, but your post reminded me of the following:

Hannah Arendt's essay 'On Violence'. Power stems from people collectively working towards change, strength etc. is violence. Anarchism requires a collective desire which is anti-coercion and anti-violence. Arendt was partly inspired by Rosa Luxemburg's views on spontaneous revolution.

Graeber's 'Fragments of an Anarchist Anthropology' and le Guin's fictional novel 'The Dispossessed' give some insight into what is required for maintaining anarchist ways of organizing. In brief: you leave, divorce yourself from oppressive systems and start over elsewhere.

Which is of course difficult if not impossible on a planet which has been near entirely colonized. Somewhat more philosophical, anarchism requires the dissolution of notions of property. Agamben writes on monastic forms of life, which seem rather anarchist to me, in 'The Highest Poverty'. Graeber and Wengrow mention the 'sacredness' of objects in 'The Dawn of Everything', which is a terribly deep anthropological and philosophical rabbit hole, but there's some interesting connections between sacred objects and possession.

All books mentioned are worth the read of course, imo.

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[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 25 points 1 day ago

If you aren't being watched by at least 9 letters worth of government agencies, you're boring

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 151 points 1 day ago

That face...

"I'm a fucking child, why am I here saying shit you irresponsible fuckers should already know!?"

[–] exploitedamerican@lemm.ee 6 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

NEEED MOArr LUIGI MEMES!!!! NOW PLLLLEEEEEZZZEEEE

[–] b161@lemmy.blahaj.zone 27 points 1 day ago

If you’re not on several watchlists in 2024 you’re one of the bad guys.

[–] metaStatic@kbin.earth 41 points 1 day ago (1 children)

it's called mutual aid and we start by fire bombing parliament ...

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[–] IcyToes@sh.itjust.works 42 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Layla Moran on the left is a member of their Liberal Democrats and someone who police were called out to when they allegedly beat their partner over an IT issue.

Ed Milliband in the middle is a minister and former leader of the Labour party. Maybe not the biggest leftie but enabled members to vote for their leader which paved the way for Jeremy Corbyn to win.

Based on the above two points, this feels to be quite badly labeled if you know who they are.

[–] ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 22 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Was curious if the background! What's with Greta's wide eye face?

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[–] Manifish_Destiny@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago

I clicked on this image you posted and then men in black fell through my ceiling.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)
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