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[–] brown567@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If you had a fan blowing out the window, it could slightly reduce the density of the air in your house, leading to a tiny increase in the speed of light through it, so that would make the waves technically faster, but by a vanishingly small margin

It wouldn't increase the bitrate of your router at all, so it wouldn't make a difference, but the waves would be faster

[–] VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Bitrate wouldn't change, but it would reduce latency by a tiny amount.

[–] 0x0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago

With less matter for the photons to interact with, I assume the WiFi's SNR would be improved. If fewer data frames need to be retransmitted at the link layer (WiFi), I figure the apparent bitrate at the IP level might actually be improved!

Actually, I would not be shocked if WiFi itself adapts to conditions, e.g. by sending less data per frame with more error correction bits when SNR is already low.

(Not a networking expert, I am just bullshitting.)

[–] roguetrick@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Depends on the direction the fan is facing. If it's blowing towards you, that increases air pressure in front of it, which means more things for photons to interact with and a lower speed of light, thus slower wifi. Away from you would decrease the pressure and result in faster wifi due to the increased speed of light. Theoretically at least. I don't think this effect is measurable.

Edit: thinking about it, the electromagnetic noise from a fan motor would likely be worse than the benefit. You might even be able to detect that

[–] Zoldyck@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago

I like this question tbh

Not gonna lie, I thought about that, but I didn't wanna risk sounding stupid, so I just google it instead of posting it on a forum. Luckily I didn't actually make a forum post.

[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Gotta get me one of those oscillating routers.

[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 4 points 1 day ago

They do kind of oscillate, just very very quickly.

If it changes the air pressure, changing the refractive index, it will affect how fast the waves will travel. If you put it behind the router blowing towards the computer, does that increase the pressure? Then it would slow down I think. But this would only make a difference for a single wave packet; any real connection sends many packets and would be limited by the frequency of packets sent.

[–] eager_eagle@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

and you can speedup your upload by switching the fan direction

[–] kubica@fedia.io 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Fan facing up for upload and down for download, very intuitive.

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[–] Zachariah@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

WiFi is waves in space, not air.

[–] niktemadur@lemmy.world 1 points 22 hours ago

Waves in the electromagnetic field that permeates all of space, along with many other fields with different topologies and particles.

[–] _stranger_@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Followup: Can I get a fan that moves space instead of air? I need to make my wifi faster.

[–] knacht1@lemmy.world 1 points 23 hours ago

Check on Amazon for a "Space fan".

[–] Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

You can define your fan to be moving space and the pushing of air is the side-effect.

What poster above meant is that wifi is electromagnetic waves, so it does not care whether air is present or not. Air does not significantly hinder the propagation of electromagnetic waves. What you could do to speed up your wifi, in theory, is to fill your living room with argon. Argon has a lower refractive index than air, so the waves can travel faster. The downside is that you won't be able to breathe.

[–] _stranger_@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Followup: So I need to get a fan with this symbol on it: ☢️?

There's a few on eBay, but the sellers are all Russian and I'm not sure if they're scams or not.

I guess I'll look for radiation fan on Amazon.

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[–] oleorun@real.lemmy.fan 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I was an adjunct instructor at a local technical college teaching computer hardware courses. One student asked me if a hard drive that was full weighed more than a hard drive that was empty.

[–] folekaule@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)
[–] DJDarren@thelemmy.club 7 points 1 day ago

This might sound stupid, but that's because it is.

[–] jia_tan@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 day ago

I hope this is the final straw for OP to finally delete the app that shall not be named

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It is amazing with how little to none in education is sufficient to finish school nowadays.

[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I learned more from the internet than everything that public school taught me. That's not to say we should stop funding school, but in fact, we should fund it better, and have more qualified teachers.

If I make an analogy between a wikipedia article, and the knowledge I learned. I would say that public school taught the eqivalent of the summary paragraph at the top of a wikipedia page, while the internet taught me the rest of the page. That's how much school just don't teach.

Example, School didn't teach: (This is the USA btw)

  • Ranked Choice voting (or any alternative voting method, for that matter)
  • National Popular Vote Interstate Compact
  • Citizen's United ruling
  • Although they did teach 5th & 6th amendments and Miranda Warning, they didn't be specific and teach the fact that you have to specifically invoke your right to silence. Just remaining silent itself can be used as evidence of guilt.

Amonst many things

School definitely doesn't teach how wifi works (and to be honest, I thought about the wifi/fan thing too), or even how technology works in general. School never taugh about the fact that you shouldn't ignore HTTPS warnings. I'm pretty sure like 99% of my school would just instictively click pass an HTTPS warning and just get their info stolen, although we do have HSTS now so we should be better now, but still, there are many other phishing that almost all of my school-mates would fall for, and they wouldn't even think to scan the sender address or do any verification that its legit.

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