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[–] josie@vegantheoryclub.org 31 points 2 days ago (1 children)

This has been obvious to anyone who read beyond Western media headlines for a long time now

[–] john89@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 days ago (3 children)

How long is a long time?

I remember when people were legitimately saying Ukraine could take back crimea...

[–] folaht@lemmy.ml 1 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

For me, I would say around 2020 and knowing the US was responsible for blowing up the pipelines the around summer 2021, considering the news at that time I could already tell. Not in detail, but enough to know it a high likelyhood, with doubts in between.

[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 days ago
[–] granolabar@kbin.melroy.org 87 points 2 days ago (73 children)

Well Ukraine got worn out over last 2 years with spotty western support and weird restrictions on weapons usage.

This is where the west wanted Ukraine. So here we are.

Russia is weakened so west and US got what they wanted it so now we are ready to do a deal.

Nobody will ever give up nukes after this and many countries are going to be getting their nukes in order as that is the only way to properly secure sovereignty and territorial integrity.

Coupled with Israel behavior undermining "rules" based international order, this is the brave new world we got.

Cheers.

[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 22 points 2 days ago

[nukes are] the only way to properly secure sovereignty and territorial integrity

As North Korea had correctly identified early and worked towards diligently to protect their people.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 days ago (12 children)

In what way is Russia weakened?

Last I checked, mainstream western sources report that Russian economy is booming. For example, the World Bank just reclassified Russia as a high income country https://blogs.worldbank.org/en/opendata/world-bank-country-classifications-by-income-level-for-2024-2025

The IMF forecasts that Russian economy is set to grow faster than all the western economies https://www.cnbc.com/2024/04/17/russia-forecast-to-grow-faster-than-advanced-economies-in-2024-imf.html

Russian oil and gas revenues soared 41% in first half of the year, as the data shows https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/russian-oil-gas-revenue-soars-41-first-half-data-shows-2024-07-03/

Russian military is stronger today than at the start of the war https://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/ukraine-krieg-nato-oberbefehlshaber-und-generalinspekteur-ueber-folgen-und-perspektiven-a-9cb8d225-8bd8-454d-830d-009c9f46dfc9#selection-791.0-791.81

The number of Russian troops is constantly increasing https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2024/12/17/ukraine-s-top-general-to-le-monde-the-number-of-russian-troops-is-constantly-increasing_6736188_4.html

Russian MIC is outproducing the west. For example, Russia is able to produce 3x as many artillery shells as all of the west combined https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/10/politics/russia-artillery-shell-production-us-europe-ukraine/index.html

[–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 12 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

If I call you a Putin asslicker it basically means that all the evidence you posted is null and I don't have to even read it or post evidence of my own, so, checkmate.

Add this one to the list, btw, Russia's surpassed Japan as the 4th world economy by PPP gross domestic product.

https://www.intellinews.com/russia-overtakes-japan-to-become-the-fourth-largest-economy-in-the-world-in-ppp-terms-328108/

On the other hand: Germany, one of the biggest sponsors of this war, is currently on its way directly to the shitter https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2024-12-18/the-german-government-collapse-and-a-trend-of-discontent

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 days ago

That's basically the level of argument libs bring to the table. The most hilarious part here is that this is stuff that's openly reported in western media. It's not controversial in any way, and yet we still have people running around thinking that the west managed to harm Russia in some way.

[–] Eezyville@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Dude don't come in here with evidence. You'll pop their bubble.

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