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[–] TimeSquirrel@kbin.melroy.org 158 points 5 days ago (4 children)

It never ceases to amaze me how far we can still take a piece of technology that was invented in the 50s.

That's like developing punch cards to the point where the holes are microscopic and can also store terabytes of data. It's almost Steampunk-y.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 55 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Solid state is kinda like a microscopic punch card.

[–] lastunusedusername2@sh.itjust.works 25 points 4 days ago (1 children)
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[–] PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world 18 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

More like microscopic fidget bubble poppers.

When the computer wants a bit to be a 1, it pops it down. When it wants it to be a 0, it pops it up.

If it were like a punch card, it couldn’t be rewritten as writing to it would permanently damage the disc. A CD-RW is basically a microscopic punch card though, because the laser actually burns away material to write the data to the CD.

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That's how most technology is:

  • combustion engines - early 1900s, earlier if you count steam engines
  • missiles - 13th century China, gunpowder was much earlier
  • wind energy - windmills appeared in the 9th century, potentially as early as the 4th

Almost everything we have today is due to incremental improvements from something much older.

[–] pressanykeynow@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Talking about steam, steam-powered things are 2 thousand years old at least and we still use the technology when we crack atoms to make energy.

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[–] Zacryon@feddit.org 18 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (7 children)

Seagate. The company that sold me an HDD which broke down two days after the warranty expired.

No thanks.
laughing in Western Digital HDD running for about 10 years now

[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 15 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I had the opposite experience. My Seagates have been running for over a decade now. The one time I went with Western Digital, both drives crapped out in a few years.

[–] Manifish_Destiny@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

I have 10 year old WDs and 8 year old Seagates still kicking. Depends on the year. Some years one is better than others.

[–] satans_methpipe@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Funny because I have a box of Seagate consumer drives recovered from systems going to recycling that just won't quit. And my experience with WD drives is the same as your experience with Seagate.

Edit: now that I think about it, my WD experience is from many years ago. But the Seagate drives I have are not new either.

[–] Zorque@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Survivorship bias. Obviously the ones that survived their users long enough to go to recycling would last longer than those that crap out right away and need to be replaced before the end of the life of the whole system.

I mean, obviously the whole thing is biased, if objective stats state that neither is particularly more prone to failure than the other, it's just people who used a different brand once and had it fail. Which happens sometimes.

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[–] turmacar@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago

Had the same experience and opinion for years, they do fine on Backblaze's drive stats but don't know that I'll ever super trust them just 'cus.

That said, the current home server has a mix of drives from different manufacturers including seagate to hopefully mitigate the chances that more than one fails at a time.

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[–] corroded@lemmy.world 94 points 5 days ago (13 children)

I can't wait for datacenters to decommission these so I can actually afford an array of them on the second-hand market.

[–] jeansburger@lemmy.world 39 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Home Petabyte Project here I come (in like 3-5 years 😅)

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[–] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 29 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Great, can't wait to afford one in 2050.

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[–] TheRealKuni@lemmy.world 64 points 5 days ago (3 children)

30/32 = 0.938

That’s less than a single terabyte. I have a microSD card bigger than that!

;)

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[–] Alexstarfire@lemmy.world 28 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (4 children)

Everybody taking shit about Seagate here. Meanwhile I've never had a hard drive die on me. Eventually the capacity just became too little to keep around and I got bigger ones.

Oldest I'm using right now is a decade old, Seagate. Actually, all the HDDs are Seagate. The SSDs are Samsung. Granted, my OS is on an SSD, as well as my most used things, so the HDDs don't actually get hit all that much.

[–] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 17 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I've had a Samsung SSD die on me, I've had many WD drives die on me (also the last drive I've had die was a WD drive), I've had many Seagate drives die on me.

Buy enough drives, have them for a long enough time, and they will die.

[–] Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 14 points 4 days ago (7 children)

Seagate had some bad luck with their 3TB drives about 15 years ago now if memory serves me correctly.

Since then Western Digital (the only other remaining HDD manufacturer) pulled some shenanigans with not correctly labeling different technologies in use on their NAS drives that directly impacted their practicality and performance in NAS applications (the performance issues were particularly agregious when used in a zfs pool)

So basically pick your poison. Hard to predict which of the duopoly will do something unworthy of trusting your data upon, so uh..check your backups I guess?

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[–] ANIMATEK@lemmy.world 57 points 5 days ago (2 children)
[–] avieshek@lemmy.world 26 points 5 days ago

sonarr goes brrrrrr…

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 21 points 5 days ago (1 children)
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[–] SpaceScotsman@startrek.website 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

"The two models, the 30TB ... and the 32TB ..., each offer a minimum of 3TB per disk". Well, yes, I would hope something advertised as being 30TB would offer at least 3TB. Am I misreading this sentence somehow?

[–] TheImpressiveX@lemm.ee 6 points 3 days ago

They probably mean the hard drive has 10 platters, each containing at least 3TB.

[–] hsdkfr734r@feddit.nl 38 points 5 days ago (2 children)

My first HDD had a capacity of 42MB. Still a short way to go until factor 10⁶.

[–] 4grams@lemmy.world 21 points 5 days ago (1 children)

My first HD was a 20mb mfm drive :). Be right back, need some “just for men” for my beard (kidding, I’m proud of it).

[–] I_Miss_Daniel@lemmy.world 17 points 5 days ago (3 children)

So was mine, but the controller thought it was 10mb so had to load a device driver to access the full size.

Was fine until a friend defragged it and the driver moved out of the first 10mb. Thereafter had to keep a 360kb 5¼" drive to boot from.

That was in an XT.

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[–] wicked_observer@lemm.ee 3 points 3 days ago (6 children)

Haven’t bought Seagate in 15 years. They improve their longevity?

[–] Manifish_Destiny@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Vastly. I'm running all seagate ironwolf pros. Best drives Ive ever used.

Used to be WD all the way.

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[–] BoxOfFeet@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

I have one Seagate drive. It's a 500 GB that came in my 2006 Dell Dimension E510 running XP Media Center. When that died in 2011, I put it in my custom build. It ran until probably 2014, when suddenly I was having issues booting and I got a fresh WD 1 TB. Put it in a box, and kept it for some reason. Fast forward to 2022, I got another Dell E510 with only an 80 GB. Dusted off the old 500 GB and popped it in. Back with XP Media Center. The cycle is complete. That drive is still noisy as fuck.

[–] Steak@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Not worth the risk for me to find out lol. My granddaddy stored his data on WD drives and his daddy before him, and my daddy after him. Now I store my data on WD drives and my son will to one day. Such is life.

[–] kalpol@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

And here I am with HGST drives hitting 50k hours

Edit: no one ever discusses the Backblaze reliability statistics. Its interesting to see how they stack up against the anecdotes.

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[–] john89@lemmy.ca 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Heck yeah.

Always a fan of more storage. Speed isn't everything!

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[–] Cornelius_Wangenheim@lemmy.world 16 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (12 children)

Avoid these like the plague. I made the mistake of buying 2 16 TB Exos drives a couple years ago and have had to RMA them 3 times already.

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[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 14 points 4 days ago (6 children)

Lmao the HDD in the first machine I built in the mid 90s was 1.2GB

[–] nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca 14 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (4 children)

My dad had a 286 with a 40MB hard drive in it. When it spun up it sounded like a plane taking off. A few years later he had a 486 and got a 2gb Seagate hard drive. It was an unimaginable amount of space at the time.

The computer industry in the 90s (and presumably the 80s, I just don't remember it) we're wild. Hardware would be completely obsolete every other year.

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[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 21 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (4 children)

This is for cold and archival storage right?

I couldn't imagine seek times on any disk that large. Or rebuild times....yikes.

[–] noobface@lemmy.world 21 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

up your block size bro 💪 get them plates stacking 128KB+ a write and watch your throughput gains max out 🏋️ all the ladies will be like🙋‍♀️. Especially if you get those reps sequentially it's like hitting the juice 💉 for your transfer speeds.

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