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[–] NateNate60@lemmy.world 87 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Far-right German nationalist party slowly rising in vote share while traditional centrist and liberal parties squabble over the best way to keep them out of government while unable to form a stable government themselves

Where have I heard this one before?

[–] Gloomy@mander.xyz 61 points 6 days ago

Where have I heard this one before?

France? Sweden? Italy? US? Netherlands?

God, I hate the world rn.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 15 points 6 days ago

squabble over the best way to keep themselves out of government

FTFY

[–] JayObey711@lemmy.world 34 points 6 days ago (9 children)

Everyone in the comments saying that the "left" needs to be stricter on immigration is not reading the news apparently. First of if you are anti human rights you are not left anymore. And if you allow the normalisation of right wing policy you are not left anymore. And if your left party suddenly starts shifting to the right noone votes for you anymore. True leftists are disappointed by you and right wingers won't stop voting for the true right.

[–] fuck_lepen@lemmings.world 2 points 6 days ago

Nazis winning is because leftists are nazis enough.

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[–] e8d79@discuss.tchncs.de 38 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Now watch the elections being heavily targeted by Russian propaganda and Germany not doing a single thing about it.

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[–] jabjoe@feddit.uk 18 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Germany electorate, please pleasantly surprise us. It's been as dark year. Don't vote in Nazis as well.

[–] friendlymessage@feddit.org 17 points 6 days ago (6 children)

They are already in parliament and will gain votes but they will not govern, that's pretty much guaranteed. We will get a conservative-led government though, a little to the right of Merkel. Most probably a conservative/social democratic coalition (think Mitt Romney Republicans with Biden Democrats) or a less likely less stable conservative/green coalition (think Mitt Romney Republicans with AOC Democrats).

The new government will be pro Ukraine (with the conservatives and greens extremely so, with the social-democrats a little hesitant but mainly, too) but also pro-Israel (with the greens more hesitant). All parties involved are pro European integration.

To be honest, foreign policies will not change much except for the European Chat Control legislation. While the current German government is strongly against it, Social Democrats are somewhere between indifferent and in favor, conservatives are strongly in favor and while Greens are against it, I can see them agreeing to a bad compromise with the conservatives.

[–] NateNate60@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

If that happens I will happily accept a CDU+SDP grand coalition. Just no fucking AfD please for Christ's sake

[–] friendlymessage@feddit.org 3 points 6 days ago

AfD will not govern on national level in the next four years. I expect that CDU in some eastern state will eventually form a coalition with the AfD, but that has to happen first before they try on a national level. Then it will depend on the fall-out of that state coalition what will happen next.

[–] jabjoe@feddit.uk 1 points 6 days ago

That makes me feel better. Thanks. I worry about the UK and our FPTP and Reform. They could gain power with it.

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[–] Zahtu@feddit.org 20 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

"The AfD will not get into government because no-one will work with it to form a coalition. But the far-right is eating into the share of the vote that goes to the two centrist big-tent parties which have always put forward modern German chancellors."

  • haha sweet Summer child, as if CxU aint hell-bent in working with those as Koalition Partner already. They even called the greens their direct Opposition
[–] suzune@ani.social 3 points 6 days ago (2 children)

They will never get elected again, if they cooperate with the nazis.

[–] missphant@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Cause there won't be elections?

[–] Eril@feddit.org 3 points 6 days ago

I'm still banking on the Bundesverfassungsgericht (Germany's "supreme court") to stop the worst madness. But hopefully it doesn't even have to come to this...

[–] Plagiatus@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago
[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Scholz's Social Democratic Party (SDP) is trailing heavily in opinion polls, while the conservative Christian Democratic Union (CDU) under Friedrich Merz appears to be on course for a return to government.

Can someone more informed than me tell me if this means recreational weed will be legal in Germany or no?

[–] Hubi@feddit.org 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Recreational weed is already legal in Germany as of this year. Some hardliners of the CDU have claimed they want to re-criminalize it, but most people assume that it's just pre-election posturing as all of their possible coalition partners have previously supported legalization. It would be a very unpopular move with barely any support.

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Thanks. What does Merz say?

[–] Hubi@feddit.org 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

He is against legalization and (ironically) claims that it leads to a higher crime rate. He's a populist and many of the things he says are just hot air, so it's not taken too seriously at the moment.

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Thanks! Seems like that would hurt him.

I haven't been to Germany since the legalization. Is it easy to buy in most small towns? How many dispensaries are there in a 1km radius in cities like Berlin? Are the dispensary staff super knowledgeable and helpful regarding the different strains for treating different ailments?

[–] Hubi@feddit.org 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

It's a very complicated situation. Weed can't be sold freely, you have to be a member of a Cannabis-Club to be able to obtain it. You can also harvest your own without being in a club. Some hardware stores sell plants, and some online-pharmacies will sell it if you have a prescription (very easy to get). The whole legal situation is extremely complex due to a number of EU laws restricting open sale.

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Wow A German citzen cant buy a gram in-person legally at a dispensary in Berlin (it has to be done online?)? And its not available for tourists?

The US has made buckets of income from weed tourism. The German implementation sounds like its leading people to grow their own and just gift it out to their friends. Very surprising missed opportunity to the tourism economy.

[–] Hubi@feddit.org 3 points 5 days ago

From my understanding the EU prohibits a commercial legalization, which is also the reason it has only been "decriminalized" or "tolerated" in other European countries. The current implementation is basically our lawmakers tip-toeing around the EU laws in the hopes of being able to change them at some point in the future.

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