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I’ve known a few in the U.S., and even worked at one. Maybe people won’t become billionaires doing this, but why wait for a complete overhaul of society to implement more of what are good ideas.

I’d also like to see more childcare co-ops, or community shared pre-k schools. Wheres the movement to build communities and pool resources around these business models in the US? In short, co-ops are the closest socialist/communist business model that’s actually implemented in the U.S., so why are more leftists not doing this?

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[–] FourPacketsOfPeanuts@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

There's lots and lots of low level community support, bartering and exchange. But once a good natured soul tries to organise that into something... taxes!

[–] nifty@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Can you please cite some examples? What does that even mean?

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[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Because he who controls the capital, controls the legal structures of capitalism.

Aka pedons ain't got no money, boy

[–] nifty@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This doesn’t make sense, there are people already doing this and making millions, at least.

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[–] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Maybe people won’t become billionaires doing this,

I think the first bit is a big part. Keeping generated wealth is a main selling point for capitalism.

but why wait for a complete overhaul of society to implement more of what are good ideas ... I’d also like to see more childcare co-ops, or community shared pre-k schools.

I think this is one part lack of resources. Those who can spare the most for a pool don't see the need too. Those who need these things the most are still inside a market that does not reward such things. You would need way more low income people to fund the preK and the staff could do better working somewhere else, unless there is an element of altruism to working with low income communities.

A lot of things are market driven in the US and markets are not as good at selecting good ideas as our myths around them suggest. Right to repair is a good example of this. Everyone is better of being able to fix stuff; even if most chose not to. More people would be better with community this or that, but most people do not know about them, or they won't know how to organize.

It is going to be hard to pick a pragmatic approach that can survive pressures from a for profit market that might have and that people will culturally accept today.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

We have different company styles here (Swiss, but Germany, Austria, France similiar).

From the name: there was this company i worked in, it had a pool of investment money with other companies together. Another one, that makes accounting & finances, projects, with companies under their wing.

Is it something like that?

[–] Rookwood@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Companies don't do profit-sharing because they have no pressure or incentive to do so. In other words, they can get away with not profit-sharing so they do.

Co-ops are community projects. They arise out a strong, educated and engaged community. This does not exist in the US at large. That's why about the only place with co-ops in the whole country is NYC.

[–] bluGill@fedia.io 2 points 1 week ago

Because it is a very risky thing to do. When it works out great but if it fails you are out not only your job but also the money you put into it. workers don't really gain much, they still end up with a ceo making money and decisions.

[–] bear@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 1 week ago (4 children)

For the same reasons you haven't done so yourself. Also if you're the owner you can still share profits or vote or whatever else you want.

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[–] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Why do you like chocolate?

If it's what you want to see, then you should go do that.

[–] nifty@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Great point, I’ll take that into consideration

[–] EleventhHour@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

First of all, most people have no understanding or conceptual of even what the hell you’re talking about. Second of all, setting up, co-ops, etc., is extraordinarily difficult, as is becoming part of one. Most people believe it isn’t worth the effort, regardless of the reality of it.

The government makes the entire concept of a co-op, extremely difficult to exist, mostly because the government favors capitalism and punishes anything that runs against it. And, most notably, if there is anything the government can do to stop helping poor people and or minorities, that is always the first to target. Because people in control of our government are extra extraordinarily shitty.

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