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The exchange is about Meta's upcoming ActivityPub-enabled network Threads. Meta is calling for a meeting, his response is priceless!

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[–] bobby_tables@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago (19 children)

I’m surprised by all the negativity. Is it not a good thing Meta is going to use open standard instead of a proprietary one?

[–] mrmanager@lemmy.today 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Meta is not going to "use" this technology, they want to own it. And you can be certain they will try their best to build a walled garden with a Facebook login, so the masses pick their form of fediverse rather than the one not controlled by big tech.

Peoples negativity comes from experience with these corporations. You are probably pretty young if you don't see how bad they are.

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[–] fouc@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago

Early on when Google wasn't shit and Facebook was just coming out of the startup phase both of them had chat platforms based on XMPP (the OG federating protocol). For a few glorious moments everyone could chat with anyone through the corresponding XMPP endpoints. At some point they decided they can't be arsed anymore and shut off federation on their servers. They captured enough market and siloed their users.

There's 1 million % this will happen again. It's textbook EEE.

Well done on Mastodon admins for not cooperating with Facebook's strong arming tactics. Facebook's server will evolve into another walled garden, Mastodon federating with them will only help them.

Fuck them

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[–] fsniper@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A more important topic is, what federated data will be kept on Meta, and most importantly HOW that data will be processed/used/sold by Meta.

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[–] hexadecimal@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Meta does some interesting open source work, extra hands on fediverse open source might be reasonable.

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[–] Metacortechs@lemmy.stellarvortex.com 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This has me thinking, is there a space set aside for putting profits over people instances out and center so admins can preemptively defederate and/or block them?

I haven't found one yet but I am rather new to this.

[–] archomrade@midwest.social 9 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I think it'll be harder than that, even.

Meta doesn't need to spin up an instance to abuse user data on the fediverse, they just need an app that can read it. A hypothetical meta fediverse app could allow users to select their own instance and still read and collect data on the connected instances. As far as I know, there is no way in the protocol to prevent this.

[–] yashima@feddit.de 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It‘s not just about the data—which is bad enough but as you said they could just write a crawler to get at it. The question is why would they want to federate and why now? Meta being Meta the most likely reasons are terrible for the fediverse and it reminds me very much of Google and xmpp. I saw a really good writeup on this yesterday: https://ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-networks.html

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[–] dashlander@lemmy.fmhy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I have mixed feelings about Facebook being a part of this, but I honestly don't know if I'd want to get closer to Facebook. 💀

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