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What if... (gregtech.eu)

submitted 23 hours ago by gregor@gregtech.eu to c/linuxmemes@lemmy.world

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[–] Mwa@lemm.ee 1 points 46 minutes ago

I always wonder how do people get that green pepper image. Is it in gimp or smth.

[–] AnnaFrankfurter@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 hours ago

What kind of monster uses RSA3072

[–] Scrollone@feddit.it 23 points 18 hours ago

Ahh, the good old useless green pepper of GIMP.

[–] perviouslyiner@lemmy.world 95 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

[–] shoki@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

wait, what does this mean exactly? the stickman used their pgp private key to sign a text file that contains the girls public key? is this a taboo in the pgp world for some reason?

[–] r0ertel@lemmy.world 6 points 1 hour ago

The joke here is that he has no idea who this girl is and yet he still signed her key. This is dangerous, because he is vouching for her identity. If he is mistaken, this could result in a serious loss of credibility on his part.

https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/364:_Responsible_Behavior

ExplainXKCD...because I'm not smart.

[–] perviouslyiner@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_of_trust

Signing the key was certifying that anyone who knows him should trust her.

You would normally go through the verification procedures in a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_signing_party before doing that.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 17 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

I'm not cool enough to get invited to those sorts of parties.

[–] QuazarOmega@lemy.lol 15 points 18 hours ago

Let's host a Matrix one, but everyone has to come wearing a sick black coat and thin dark sunglasses

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 5 points 18 hours ago

Wake me up when GPG has forward secrecy and or double ratchet.

[–] samc@feddit.uk 8 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Green is my pepper... If you know what I mean... 😏

[–] nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 40 minutes ago

...I don't actually know what you mean, if you know what I mean.

[+] axx@slrpnk.net -19 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

Oh no. Can we please stop pushing (Open)PGP / GPG?

[–] gregor@gregtech.eu 22 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Why?

[–] phorq@lemmy.ml 1 points 18 hours ago

I'm guessing because it was more of a 70s hippy idea: free sharing of love, drugs and cryptographic keys

[–] nesc@lemmy.cafe 8 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Because expertie-experts dislike it while not providing any alternative? No.

[–] patrick246@feddit.org 7 points 21 hours ago (3 children)

Here are some alternatives, depending on your use-case: https://soatok.blog/2024/11/15/what-to-use-instead-of-pgp/

[–] mariusafa@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 hour ago

A furry recommending shit? Nah I'll do the opposite.

[–] asudox@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 9 hours ago

I see furries.

[–] kata1yst@sh.itjust.works 32 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

No idea how I'm supposed to take this ranty blog needlessly interspersed with furry cartoons seriously. But it's basically just restating (poorly) all the same criticisms and alternatives written about here: https://www.latacora.com/blog/2019/07/16/the-pgp-problem/

The 'real' criticisms of PGP are that it's old, it's clunky, and it doesn't support forward secrecy by design. None of that is invalid, but I think the importance of those points depends on the use case and user.

The alternatives given are myriad and complexity and clunkiness are interspersed between dozens of solutions instead of well understood and documented in one tool.

That isn't a superior approach. I'm not arguing that PGP is perfect, but it's absolutely asinine to suggest (like this blog and others suggest) that the solution is to use dozens of other solutions with their own problems and with less auditing.

If we're going to replace PGP, we need to do it properly in a centralized library/toolchain. Breaking up the solution and spreading it around just magnifies the problems.

[–] irq0@infosec.pub 1 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

Take it as a ranty blog interspaced with some furry art.

You can just ignore the furry art if it's not your style because helpfully all of the important content is in the text.

Soatok links to the same Latacora blog on the first line and says that they're only really going to reword what's said there.

I’m not here to litigate the demerits of PGP. The Latacora article I linked above makes the same arguments I would make today, and is a more entertaining read.

PGP/GPG maintainers have had many years to fix the problems that have been identified but they haven't. Is it safe when used "properly"? Yes! It's absolutely safe when used properly but the problem is it's hard to use full stop.

I'm not saying modern solutions are perfect, because they're not but the alternates that Latacora ( and Soatok ) suggest are better. Do you want to encrypt a file? Use age. Use minisign/signify for signing. They do do one thing and do it well. Signal is easy to use and sorts all of the key management for you. Most people don't know what a private key is. They just know they want encrypted messaging because of the NSA or Snowden or whatever his name was on the news, they can't remember and they don't really care.

PGP has legitimate use cases but the vast majority of people don't have those cases and should just use Signal. Signal and the Signal protocol is the centralised tool you're looking for.

[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

You still need a phone number for signal? I assume that'll end eventually now that they've ended support for SMS but idk if it has yet.

[–] Irelephant@lemm.ee 1 points 1 hour ago

I believe they have been testing usernames for some time now.

[–] nesc@lemmy.cafe 3 points 10 hours ago

Can signify and minisign integrate with git for commit signing? Would anyone be able to verify it with a glance in web ui like it works right now ootb with gpg and every git forge? Which one supports working with fido keys? Which one for e-mail encryption? (That's law requierement around here for some types of jobs jUsT UsE sIgNaL won't work and signal breaks every month because you didn't update it frequently enough for no reason?)