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    Windows VS Linux (part 2) (lemmy.world)
    submitted 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) by trespasser69@lemmy.world to c/linuxmemes@lemmy.world
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    [–] madcaesar@lemmy.world 23 points 2 days ago (16 children)

    When you make fun of something that really isn't an issue it just makes your side look worse. Windows has real problems, but installing shit ain't it.

    My dad can install anything on windows with clicks, he can't do shit with a terminal.

    I'm a power user and love GUIs. I'll use git desktop all day everyday, instead of typing shit in a command line. It's one button press vs typing paths and hoping you don't misspell shit.

    I don't really get the whole command line fetish, there are no extra points in life for doing things the harder way.

    [–] Prok@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

    The GUI app centers on most distros are quite usable without command line wizardry and reduces the risk of dodgey download sites

    [–] redditReallySucks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 day ago

    Ah, yes. I also love it when I search for firefox on my new PC with Edge (without adblocker) and get sponsored malware in the results.

    I still use windows but I think installing software on Linux is way more convenient. Especially with the AUR.

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    [–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago (3 children)

    IDK, but I more often had issues with installing apps to Linux than to Windows, usually dependency-hell related ones, but once I had trouble enabling snap on Linux Mint.

    [–] IcyToes@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 days ago

    If you're enabling Snap on Mint, you might as well install Ubuntu.

    [–] x00z@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago

    but once I had trouble enabling snap on Linux Mint.

    Seems like a win

    [–] Petter1@lemm.ee 5 points 1 day ago

    Mint activity tries to protect you from using snap.

    [–] Gestrid@lemmy.ca 26 points 2 days ago (3 children)

    I can't remember the last time I got a DLL error on my Windows laptop, honestly. I don't think that's ever happened on my current computer.

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    [–] csm10495@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago

    Wait till you accidentally overwrite the system python.

    [–] lastunusedusername2@sh.itjust.works 51 points 3 days ago (15 children)

    This was made by someone who has never used either

    [–] Zink@programming.dev 14 points 2 days ago

    Eh, Windows complaints tend to get pretty hyperbolic much of the time. It’s slow and annoying but I’ve always worked with it

    But the description of the Linux update process matches my experience with mint, pretty much. I even use the GUI update utility because it will put a little icon in the bottom corner of the screen. It’s quick even if I’m using a program that’s going an update, and if the kernel gets updated it’s just like “hey remember to reboot buddy!”

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    [–] twinnie@feddit.uk 95 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (16 children)

    Let’s not cherrypick scenarios to try and pretend Linux is easier than Windows. Most normal people are nervous interacting with a GUI pop-up that gives them two options, never mind putting them into a terminal window where they could seriously fuck up their machine. What about clicking the download link on a webpage, clicking next a few times and having them software on your machine, compared to having to build something from GitHub (how many people here have never had to do that?).

    [–] abfarid@startrek.website 52 points 3 days ago (1 children)

    This applies to pretty much all "Linux good, Win/MacOS bad" memes. I just assume that people either aren't really serious about them and it's just tongue in cheek, or they don't have any contact with regular people.

    I used to work as a(n assistant to the) sysadmin and the things I got called over never stopped to amaze. For instance, there was a case when software was updated on the work machines and I got called because some lady couldn't use Adobe Acrobat. "It is asking me something, I don't know what". I come over and it's just a TOS Accept/Decline window.

    Some people do not understand computers to an extent that they can lock up in a state of confusion when a button has been moved 100px in any direction from its usual position.

    [–] Ofiuco@lemmy.cafe 17 points 3 days ago (1 children)

    or they don't have any contact with regular people.

    This gets my vote, the memes are so disconnected from reality they feel forced and not funny

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    [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 29 points 3 days ago (7 children)

    Most normal people are nervous interacting with a GUI pop-up that gives them two options, never mind putting them into a terminal window where they could seriously fuck up their machine

    Maybe this is a problem that we should be addressing, rather than just making technology more of a black box, and raising generations of people who have no fucking concept of how any of it works.

    [–] twinnie@feddit.uk 1 points 1 day ago

    But this is the classic Linux user mentality; Linux shouldn’t get easier, users should get smarter.

    If computers can be easier to use then why should people instead sacrifice loads of time learning how to operate them? Most people have other things to be getting on with.

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    [–] Avatar_of_Self@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

    Compiling from GitHub is cherry picking the worst case especially for "most normal people" and frankly they should be using the software store GUI in their DE to install and update software with nice easy buttons to click.

    Frankly software management for a normal person generally is easier on Linux than it is on Windows for stuff made to run on Linux.

    But don't worry someone will respond with nvidia's shitty proprietary drivers.

    [–] aski3252@lemmy.world 24 points 3 days ago (8 children)

    Unless you have a system without a GUI, you don't need to open a terminal in order to update or install stuff. There is a GUI for that. And no, you don't need to build stuff from GitHub for normal user stuff..

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    [–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 29 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (5 children)

    Edge (Microsoft browser) thinks the Microsoft Teams exe installer FROM MICROSOFT SERVER is malware, no joke.

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    [–] ObstreperousCanadian@lemmy.ca 53 points 3 days ago (19 children)

    I haven't had a DLL issue in Windows in like 20 years.

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    [–] Knightfox@lemmy.one 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

    I'm preparing for a new computer build and I have some questions. I'm feeling really scorned by Windows 11 and its incompatibility with my current hardware as well as the overall sense of that my privacy is being invaded. I'm not super familiar with linux, but I have messed around with various distros.

    The build I'm planning to put together will likely use an AMD processor, but I'm uncertain about the GPU (definitely AMD or Nvidia). With my current build, RX 480 and i5-6500 I have found that in recent years I get massive artifacts in relatively old games such as Planetside 2 and Path of Exile (I also play Magic Arena quite a bit, but haven't experienced any issues there). I even get screen tearing when watching youtube or amazon prime. It's possible that my card is just dying, but considering that I don't consistently see these issues across multiple applications I feel like it might be a driver issue.

    I'd really like feedback and to know more about Linux gaming (especially with the games mentioned) as well as experience with AMD, Nvidia, and Intel hardware.

    Thanks to anyone who responds.

    [–] JargonWagon@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

    In my experience, gaming worked great on Linux Mint. Overall, you may encounter issues with online gaming but only because the servers will see you're using Linux and decide you must be cheating. Not really an issue with Linux, more an issue with the devs not doing a proper job.

    ProtonDB is a good resource to understand what games run well on Linux and what issues you may encounter.

    [–] Petter1@lemm.ee 2 points 1 day ago

    For me, nvidia with proprietary drivers works great, just make sure to have correct dependency packages installed for vulcan etc. (should just work in most distros if their recommended way of installing nvidia drivers is used)

    [–] tehn00bi@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)

    Been using Linux off and on since 2003-ish. I remember the days of having to compile applications and having to download various dependencies. Linux now is so streamlined and easy. Minus gentoo.

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    [–] tsugu@slrpnk.net 34 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (17 children)

    Open terminal

    See whether the app is in my distro's repos, flathub, or snapcraft (It's not)

    Go on the internet, search up the app's name

    Download the AppImage (might be a virus)

    LibFuse2 is not installed (fuck me)

    Install LibFuse2

    Install Gearlever to integrate AppImage into my desktop

    I can finally launch the app

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    [–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 56 points 3 days ago (22 children)

    No restart require on Linux is a joke, right? Because I get updates that require restarts as often as I get them on Windows when updating Mint.

    [–] Camille@lemmy.ml 65 points 3 days ago (14 children)

    Unless you're updating the kernel itself, there is little chance you actually need to reboot your machine. Just restarting whatever service or application you're using should do the trick.

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    [–] frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe 19 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

    What the actual fuck are you smoking?

    At least update this meme to the 2010s if you won't go to the 2020s

    [–] coherent_domain@infosec.pub 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

    I think mixing app and system dependencies is not the best idea, and Linux desktop is still fighting its impact.

    When all the apps on a consumer laptop is expected to depend on the same dependencies, the system likely run into dependency hell, which means many apps needs to be downgraded in order to keep older apps working.

    This mixture of system dependency and app dependency also prevents users to use the the latest version of an app on a hyper stable base system.

    Flatpak basically aim to solve this problem, where each app chooses their own dependencies, so you don't need to downgrade all your app just because one app depends on python 2.7.

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