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It's funny when you can't tell if a post is satire or serious but deranged.
Either way, Musk doesn't have the skills required to do anything involving stealing or effecting the outcome of an election. Dude can't even sway his own piss poor polls on Twitter.
It literally hurts no one to do some audits to be sure. No whining or streaming "stolen election"...just audits in key places to make sure it is above board. Any argument against it is maga/CCP(.ml)/ork interference.
exactly.
it's bizarre that manual ballot counts with oversight are not the norm, all they can do is establish what happened.
there's no downside.
Sorry friend, but it's time to let this one go: https://www.snopes.com/news/2024/11/21/stephen-spoonamore-letter-harris/
Remember that we're not like the Republicans - when confronted with claims of election tampering, we check whether the claims actually hold water, and it appears that they don't.
Better spend your effort on figuring out how to get better results next election.
you are either being disingenuous or wildly uninformed.
Iit's okay if you don't like that one scientist. because there are dozens of other computer security experts who have come to the same conclusion, that since Trump's lawyers admitted to hiring people to steal voting software used by 90% of voters in swing states, manual recounts should be implemented.
The Republicans have zero evidence of election interference.
democrats have straight up factual evidence of ballot, interference and electoral fraud.
do you know about how W won the 2004 election?
do you know about the fake elector scheme 4 years ago?
have you ever heard of gerrymandering?
voter poll purging?
Republican ballot interference has happened every election for decades, and it looks like it happened on a wider scale this time.
Do you have a better source than the state election results websites? If the premise of the whole argument was bullet votes, but the actually numbers are <2% instead of the claimed amount, what is the evidence?
that is not "the premise of the whole argument"
read the meticulously sourced open letter based court verified testimony and documents.
pdf:
https://freespeechforpeople.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/letter-to-vp-harris-111324.pdf
Risk that something might have happened is a good enough reason for audits/recounts should be done in time to fix the election outcome, but they're not evidence that such hacks were successfully used. They just provide a mechanism that makes it possible.
"provide a mechanism that makes it possible."
yup.
"a good enough reason for audits/recounts should be done in time to fix the election outcome"
yup.
Iit's okay if you don't like that one scientist. because there are dozens of other computer security experts who have come to the same conclusion, that since Trump's lawyers admitted to hiring people to steal voting software used by 90% of voters in swing states, manual recounts should be implemented.
Feel free to source it with concrete probable claims that have been verified by reputable sources.
I think manual counting should be the norm - all votes are counted manually in my country - but it's unlikely that you will be able to get anyone to actually pull the trigger without concrete evidence of interference.
The Republicans have zero evidence of election interference.
Agreed.
democrats have straight up factual evidence of ballot, interference and electoral fraud.
Post it, then.
do you know about how W won the 2004 election?
I know how the 2000 election got stolen by Bush, but I'm not aware of the same thing happening in 2004. Feel free to fill in details.
do you know about the fake elector scheme 4 years ago?
Yes. It was never put into practice. Trump did try to institute a coup, but failed.
have you ever heard of gerrymandering?
Yes, this is a well-known example of legal election interference. Hand-counts won't help in this case.
voter poll purging?
Same here
Republican ballot interference has happened every election for decades, and it looks like it happened on a wider scale this time.
Instances of legal election interference are not proof of illegal election interference occurring.
do you know about how W won the 2004 election?
He got more votes than Kerry, winning the popular vote (unlike his first election)
this was because the Kerry campaign failed to meet the moment, running an "I could run this war better" pro-war campaign.
This isn't (and has never been) a democracy because the power is not with the people, institutions like the supreme court, the electoral college, the Senate, and the allocation of representatives make sure of that.
sure, kind of.
that all obligly agrees with what I've been saying.
you finally read some of those sources?
I'm very pro better late than never, good on you.
in the future, I'd appreciate it if you read things you comment on first before making claims based on assumptions.
have a good one
I didn't find any of the arguments compelling, I'm just not particularly enchanted by this electoral system because it's a fig leaf for a bourgeois dictatorship, and has been for some time. Just because you vote doesn't mean it's a democracy.
My position is that the fix has been in for a lot longer, there's been basically no US presidents that have actually represented the entire population, it's always businesses and settlers first (hence all the wars)
as long as you're choosing to be in that system, the will of the electorate should be exerted to its side host when choosing their president.
the alternative you are suggesting is that because there are outsized special interests influencing you a selection, people shouldn't have any say.
which I cannot agree with.
it's a popular, simple opinion, doesn't require you to do anything but it certainly doesn't change anything for the better or have any positive benefits.
nobody's arguing that the fix you're talking about isn't in, those computer scientists and I agree that we should try to fix the fix.
the alternative you are suggesting is that because there are outsized special interests influencing you a selection, people shouldn’t have any say.
No, I'm saying that they never had a say, and you're imagining popular power that never existed. For most of the US existence only white men could vote for one, the franchise was eventually extended but any influence voting has always been overdetermined by the existence of the electoral college.
The fixating on a few times the election didn't go your way just looks like nursing bruised egos instead of focusing on productive work and developing a better understanding of our politics.
Regardless of the outsized influence special interests have, Americans have had and still have a say in who they elect.
you are fixating on how difficult change is instead of understanding that things perpetually change and it's the fight to change systems that changes systems.
you're fighting for futility, I'm advocating realistic change.
you might be bummed out because of the election results, but that's no reason to stop making things better.
you're still here and so is everybody else, and in the Cassandric words of steve Harwell,
"We could all use a little chaaaAAAnge".
you’re fighting for futility, I’m advocating realistic change
I'm saying the thing you're fixated on is the futile thing, it assumes that this is a democracy (it isn't) and that it's "just special interests" (it's the capitalist class writ large, they just bicker over who gets the reins)
I don't think a qanon style campaign to stop the steal is realistic, but if you want to dress up like a fallout character and storm the capital in January more power to you.
"the thing you're fixated on is the futile thing"
The only way you can think civil rights are futile is if you have already given up.
If that's the case, then take yourself out of the equation and stop talking about issues you don't care about.
If you haven't given up, explain how making sure people have civil rights is futile.
"it assumes..."
no, it doesn't. you're making assumptions, don't do that.
"special interests" (it's the capitalist class..."
Yes, those are special interests.
"I don't think a qanon style campaign to stop the steal is realistic"
this is literally what I'm telling you. step away from qanon, Focus on real evidence and making changes that benefit people.
you're fixated on the futility of everything, but you are incorrectly assuming that nothing can be changed because you are not willing to fight for that change.
that is simply incorrect.
people thought Trump was going to have his second term 4 years ago, and then he was voted out.
change happens all the time, you're complaining that it can, despite overwhelming constant evidence that things are always changing.
you are incorrectly assuming that nothing can be changed because you are not willing to fight for that change.
I'm literally out there multiple days of the week organizing, we've fed thousands over the years.
In person organizing around addressing the material issues is what's needed, not slapping a new coat of paint on the war machine every 4 years.
“the thing you’re fixated on is the futile thing” The only way you can think civil rights are futile is if you have already given up.
I don't think you're fixated on civil rights, you're fixated on winning a carnival game that I'm trying to explain to you is a sideshow compared to what's going on outside the circus (and it has always been rigged).
Let me know if you need any help with your cosplay, I'm good with a sewing machine.
"I'm literally out there multiple days of the week organizing"
got it, thanks for that, but here you're venting futility all out here without any reason to.
"I don't think you're fixated on civil rights"
that's your problem right there.
"you're fixated on..."
remember how you were wrong the previous times you tried to make assumptions?
you're wrong here too.
If you care about helping people, be aware that your defeatist whinging here is counterproductive to your stated goals.
"not slapping a new coat of paint on..."
if you're living in the states then you are literally slapping new paint on the war machine every 4 years.
where do you think your taxes go?
if you’re living in the states then you are literally slapping new paint on the war machine every 4 years.
Yes that's what I'm saying and it's a little weird to be so invested in what color it is rather than addressing the material issues.
Have fun melting down over the election, I'm going outside.
"and it's a little weird to be so invested in what color it is"
it is weird you care enough to continually rant about these issues and swear you don't care, so it's good you're joining me outside.
I am gonna go ahead and just ignore the .ml on this one. Likely just another CCP goon.
for sure. I have the time though, so I don't mind putting up facts each time they spout off.
Fair enough.
Easy enough to disprove. Do the hand recounts in the supposedly affected states. If those hand recounts aren't done, there's going to be a lot of progressives who spend the next four years looking as lunatic as the "stop the steal" people - with the difference being that there was a really easy way to disprove the lunacy that wasn't used, whereas the "stop the steal" was disproven multiple times and even went to court repeatedly.
So, what I'm saying, just do the damn recount so we can put this thing to rest.
Nah, harris already threw in the towel. She will not call for a recount, i guarantee it.
I'm actually pissed off at the Democratic party about just rolling over.
If Harris won you're damn sure we'd be flooded with "investigations", "evidence", lawsuits and recounts. The news would be flooded with it.
Once Trump won all that shit just disappeared even though the reds have been prepping to fight for months.
Harris had a shit ton of money donated to her campaign. Why not hire a shit ton of lawyers and set them loose??
Democrat Strategy: Beg, then bend over and spread wide.
(Not that there's anything wrong with that in your private life, but when you're in public office, you kinda have a responsibility to be representatively picky about who you bend over for)
So instead we're going to have to listen to half-baked conspiracy theories for the next few years in addition to everything else. Gah!
i remember the gore voters in 2000 who insisted it had been stolen.
and it was.
true that. exactly.
do the manual recounts since the software was compromised and tons of computer specialists are worried about that and let's put it to rest.
I don't even think they need to do entire states before deciding whether a widespread recount is needed.
IIRC there are even specific counties with headscratching results in battleground states. Grab a handful of those. If there's fire, it will be found, and then we can mobilize for a wider recount. I'm sure that's still a shitload of work, but prob less than recounting an entire state.
I've been hoping that this is their plan, but I'll admit that (especially given her concession) each passing day I have less faith in this.
The AOC "what happened was massive, you all need to just wait a minute while we figure out what we're doing" (paraphrase) video from a few days ago gave me a little spark of hope, but I suspect even that was not her saying anything other than "we're going to do what we can to mitigate the damage."
Enjoy chasing this down to disassociate with what's going on in the country for the next 4 years. Looks comfy, like really comfy.
I may slip on a pair of [conspiracy theory] myself at some point!
We knew damn well that Trump and co. were preparing to attempt to steal the election if necessary. We knew and have been documenting that Trump and co. were installing and/or trying to install sympathetic election officials everywhere they could in the last 4 years. We know damn well that Trump and co. already tried to cheat in the last election, e.g. trying to get Brad Raffensperger to "find me 11,780 votes" in Georgia in 2020. We know that Trump and co. are fighting hard in court anywhere they can to have mail in ballots thrown out, e.g. in Pennsylvania. We know Trump sycophants have been setting fire to absentee ballot boxes. These are not the actions of a campaign expecting to win legitimately.
Even sitting here as a random largely uneducated chump on the internet, not even rising to the level of armchair expert, I can see that the latest election results need to be investigated and validated and verified as thoroughly as humanly possible, on every level, to find where -- not if -- Trump's cronies cheated. Whether or not they cheated enough to actually affect the ultimate outcome if the election is less clear, but let's not kid ourselves. The chances that this was a completely straight and honest election are, without a doubt, zero.
If Dickhead really did win after all that, then he won. But the process must be totally transparent. There is no other way for it to maintain any semblance of legitimacy.
I feel like the article was pretty tongue in cheek about the reason for the bullet vote statistical anomaly. They went right from the conspiracy theory that. machines were hacked in swing states to Musk’s fake giveaway that incentivized people to sign up to vote in swing states.
It’s like, gee, do you think they’re trying to suggest maybe there’s a reason that people who would only be interested in one race may have skewed things a little? Add a dash of targeting your marketing (to conservatives), and maybe coordination with a PAC that can phone bank, and well, folks who may not normally vote might vote for just the one big election.
And there’s your statistical anomaly. No computer hacking. Just game theory, targeted advertising, and an endless torrent of texts and calls.
Incidentally, my phone number is one that’s, well, kind of fake sounding. It’s 3 sets of 2 (in the same row!), and one adjacent singlet, like (but not actually) 99-77-88-5. And I get a lot of other people’s calls and messages. I let down a lot of teenage boys back when exchanging numbers was how people DM’d. Anyway, a few of the wayward texts this year were from Trump’s PAC talking about this contest. But I didn’t hear shit about it from any of the democratic PAC’s!
So that’s sort of what I think explains what they’re talking about. Shitty and probably illegal, sure? A conspiracy? Meh.
A spear phishing style marketing tactic that worked, spearheaded by 150 million of revenue from a desperate billionaire.
These people who voted the top of the ticket only were Joe Rogan listeners, and people who were duped by the million dollar giveaways. IMO, this is evidence of success, not evidence of foul play.
But honestly, if people are willing to check, I'm willing to let them. I'm just not gonna cry over this spilled mil... country.
some diaper boasted before the election "we have the votes"
diaper? is that what magaheads are called now?
Elon Musk is indeed guilty as fuck, Starlink was used to delete the votes.
Why were the polls right for Down-Ballot votes, but not the Presidency?
Starlink was used to delete the votes.
Neat trick, doing that on air gapped machines.
Ok, I'll indulge you. How?