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[–] NeoToasty@kbin.melroy.org 3 points 6 days ago

In terms of seeing more credible people take office that has an honest mind in what's best for the country and not for themselves or their party. I say we certainly are likely past the point of no return. That wall was cracked when Reagan took presidency and then the wall was just demolished just by one Trump term.

So now we're going to be expected to see all sorts of crazy people, just jumping at the bit, for their shot to take some sort of office, despite having had no credibly solid background of politics or understanding in managing the big office. Arnold Schwarzenegger became governor of California, Kane (wrestler) became mayor of a county, Dr.Oz is now in a political position after scarily coming close to a senate position. It's just maddening all around.

We've been experiencing numerous government shutdowns or coming close to another government shutdown because all politicians collectively could not get their shit together. If we're past the point of no return, about whether America has any credible influence and sincere posture on the rest of the world. Yes, it is the point of no return and it'll take many generations to fix. It won't be this one though.

[–] TheRealCharlesEames@lemm.ee 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Nobody can predict the future. That being said, I am no longer optimistic.

[–] over_clox@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Why do we call it united?

Last I checked the math books, 50 is Divided.

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[–] Lightsong@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It might be for some stuff. I'm worried that it'll have a lasting impact on women inside the USA as well as outside. Inside, they'll have their rights taken away over time. Outside, morale will be impacted. But I'm hoping it'll cause an uprising rather than the other way around.

[–] Snapz@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago

I guess we'll see.

[–] dan1101@lemm.ee 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Could be, but we have thought that before.

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[–] ultranaut@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Maybe. US history is full of crazy fucked up shit that the nation has made its way through thus far. This kind of situation hasn't really happened in the US before though, and historically these kinds of situations do not work out well. We are past the point of no return in that the status quo Washington Consensus or whatever you want to call the previous era is gone now, whatever is coming is something new and different and the US role and position in the world are never going back to what they were before. Really I would say this process started with Bush II but there is no reversing it now that Trump has won a convincing electoral victory. Whether we're past the point of no return for the US constitutional order isn't really clear yet but it's not looking good.

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[–] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 0 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Just to be the nihilist in the room, I honestly think that the point of no return for humanity occurred the moment we stepped down from the trees and started to evolve. And I'm not actually kidding.

I'm not an evolutionary expert, so I'm more than likely talking out of my ass, but I was an Archaeology Major with a focus on the Bronze Age Collapse and what I can tell you is this...

From a certain perspective, the same evolutionary traits that brought our species to this point, are the very same traits that will keep us from moving forward past it. Selfishness, resource hording, greed, the urge to continually expand at the expense of others. Fear of "others" outside of ones own community; all these things in some form were beneficial to growing from hunter gatherers to urban/agricultural societies. We needed organisation to build cities, so we created monarchies. We needed ways to control the growing population, so we created a fear of a deity.

We needed a reason to not allow too many people in to our society so that we didn't waste resources, so we created borders and the concept of "others" that aren't like us. Now, all of that has to get binned if we have any hope of getting past this point because the only way forward is as single planet, not petty nation states. But every single thing that brought us to this point prevents that from happening. It's ingrained in our very DNA, so to speak.

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