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[–] jaxxed@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago (2 children)

May I suggest that you give Vlad Vexler's youtube a listen? He describes this as a period of dlweaking democracy, but explains why all is not lost.

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[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Remember that time we as a country condoned owning people as property? No matter how bad shit gets in the next four years, there's no point of no return

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 6 points 6 days ago

Doubt it.

The rest of the world isn't lucky enough to never have to hear about the perpetual US election cycle again, and frankly there's just too much money in it for them to give it up.

It'll be a fucking clown show for the next four years though.

[–] NineMileTower@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago (3 children)

I choose to believe that we are not. The true fight for our democracy by the working/middle class hasn't even started yet. Some think it won't. I choose to believe that good will again triumph and life is roller coaster of good and bad.

[–] Xeroxchasechase@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago (5 children)

Will it start any time soon? It's only going to get harder and harder to resist, from now on.

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[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

One definition of a collapse is a sudden drastic reduction in the complexity of a thing.

I'm not sure whether we're going to have a societal collapse or a slow decline, but either way the US is in a downward spiral. I think Trump increases the likelihood of us going into the collapse trajectory.

All that said, on the other side of a collapse, there is some room for hope. The incendiary portion of the collapse will definitely suck to live through (if you're lucky enough to do so), but our country could probably use some simplification long-term because the people within it largely cannot navigate a country this byzantine. A lot of this country's systems are too complex for an average person to understand let alone administer.

Most of these complexities were probably birthed via intentional decisions by the system creators, and others were a product of unintended consequences. I think the gap in education between our commoners and "the elite" -- to borrow a tired trope -- also played a part here.

No matter how we arrived at this point, I don't think the current population can actually operate these systems anymore and long-term one way or another our people require a drastic reduction in the complexity of our society.

There is another path in which the United States invests more in education and scales up the average intelligence of its citizens so that they can handle the complexity of modern life, understand nuance, do research, and create better policy....but at this point I think we're frankly too far fucked to ever go down that path.

[–] superkret@feddit.org 6 points 6 days ago

The US has had presidents who were literally more evil than Mr. Burns.
They haven't been a real democracy (where the will of the majority influences policy) in decades, if ever.

Climate change is still the thing that's most likely to fuck us all, and it's not like the US were actually helpful in that regard under Democratic leadership.

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Earth will not care. Life on earth may suffer, but Earth will not care.

[–] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Then I guess we shouldn't worry about Earth, because it'll be fine.

[–] Raab@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago

The save the earth movement isn't about earth, it's about humanity.

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