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[–] Apathy@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Most are wanting an end to this current system so they’ll ‘play’ it out knowing albeit the struggle, Democracy has left the building and late stage capitalism is showing the disparity of the predators and preys of society

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago (2 children)
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[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Usually this happens when you dont have a democracy. Establish a system with rank choice voting and a few dozen candidates, and you'll see votes closer aligned with voter interests

[–] Huschke@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Here are a few examples of what I've seen them do in the time I've been alive.

  • Lowering the amount of educated people by various means such as cutting (on not properly increasing) funding, restricting access to it,...
  • Limiting access to (somewhat) correct information by buying up news media outlets, severely influencing social media, telling people that their "alternative media" is the only way to get correct information, and so much more
  • Actively pitting groups of people against each other, black vs white, immigrants vs citizens, women vs men,...
[–] Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

I agree with all of your points but believe there is one more.

Many vote for their party because that is what their family has always done. To them it is like rooting for their Football or Baseball team. They just want the win and feed off any news stories that support that view. No matter how much of complete failure a Republican President is (G.W.B. Comes to mind) their popularity never drops below 28% - 35%.

[–] zeppo@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

They get manipulated about and distracted by certain issues. The people who want power know this and exploit topics such as guns, abortion, fear of crime, racism/nationalism, sexism, economic issues and taxes. Plenty of people vote republican because they have been convinced that Democrats will take their guns, allow in too many immigrants (with the implicit idea that immigrants are bad somehow), be worse on the economy, lower taxes, let criminals get off easy, reduce the influence of Christianity, and so forth.

There’s also the decades of propaganda about socialism and communism, and against social safety nets as well as government and anything run by the government vs a private entity. So basically, because they’re not very aware or well informed and all themselves to be convinced by propaganda.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 4 points 1 day ago

Because it's no longer about benefits or interests.

It's about the "my side won, your side lost, get over it" mentality. It's about the tribalism and making sure you keep your ire focused on your fellow man rather than looking up and seeing the source of your problems

And it's not just the US. It's fucking everywhere.

[–] Kcap@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

It all boils down to education

[–] Snapz@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

In the US, is this actually the moment past the point of no return? Would you ever allow yourself to accept that truth if so, or will you need to see actually bodies in the streets before you believe it's over?

[–] nutsack@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

The rich are clever and very well coordinated

[–] Hideakikarate@sh.itjust.works 32 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 30 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Generally people tend to focus on one thing and don't pay any attention to the side effects. Morons want lower taxes for themselves and don't pay attention to the fact that the wealthy get the most benefit out of conservative cuts or that they just defunded the benefits of having a government like enforced food safety regulations. Or they care about abortion because they buy lies about post birth abortions and ignore everything else. Or they just teally hate immigrants and want to be mad and don't care that the party of hate works against their other self interests.

Many people are stupid. Like really, really stupid.

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The root of it is that we don't teach skepticism or critical thinking in public schools. Seriously.

Question authority. Question everything. But especially question authority. They rarely have your best interests in mind.

[–] Noel_Skum@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The incredibly recent Sri Lankan election enters the chat… and feels sad at being ignored.

[–] tigerjerusalem@lemmy.world 1 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

I'm ignorant about that, care to elaborate?

[–] Noel_Skum@sh.itjust.works 1 points 23 hours ago

Sri Lankans (of all varieties - complicated history) have elected a left leaning coalition. It’s very unusual the majority of every “section” of Sri Lanka to throw their support behind the same candidate / party (again - historical reasons.)

Here’s a BBC link. It appears to be reasonably factual as I understand it and is a good synopsis:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crr9n2w0lyzo

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Because everyone thinks of themselves as a potential rich person. Or in other words: people think that being rich is the ideal state, so let’s align everything around that.

If we truly put a yoke on the rich and contained them, we would also be reining in the smallfolks dreams.

By contrast, rich people don’t sit around dreaming about being smallfolk and planning aspirationally for the day that will happen.

[–] makuus@pawb.social 16 points 1 day ago

Put simply: They’re being lied to. Consistently and perniciously.

The lie is that their vote is going to benefit them somehow. Or that it’s going to hurt someone else exclusively. And, sometimes, it’s both—that it’ll hurt someone else, while bringing a benefit.

In all three cases, the real truth—that they themselves will still suffer—is neatly hidden away.

[–] sunyata@mander.xyz 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Informed consent: People are not against exploitation. They just want to switch sides. Why would you vote for something that cripples you once you got rich?

Uninformed consent: They honestly believe they are voting for their own interests.

Indifferent consent: Usually single issue or ideology-driven voter.

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[–] Crackhappy@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

In the US at least, the systematic demolishing of the education system has led to a vast reduction in overall education and critical thinking skills. This was done on purpose. That, combined with the unexpected boon of the Internet, has led to massive wealth shifting from the many to the few.

You see the results of this change everywhere, especially on the Internet. Lack of basic spelling and grammar skills are just one symptom. All of that is to say that humans are primates and easily trained.

[–] FuryMaker@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

They believe it will benefit them one day.

[–] Rookwood@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

Propaganda. Lack of education. There's a reason they want to defund public schools. They're not doing it out of the goodness of their hearts. :)

[–] Hello_there@fedia.io 8 points 1 day ago

The rich have billions to spend on focus groups so they know exactly which buttons to push so that people vote the way they want.

[–] tiefling@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Because they want to see other people suffer

[–] radix@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

One's "own best interest" can take a lot of different forms. Especially when the number and variety of plausible candidates are finite. Your preferred candidate for a given office will rarely line up perfectly with your own values. There's a compromise there.

If I vote for my own finances, it may come at the cost of my morals. It I vote for my own moral interest, it may cost me more. If I vote for my own power, it may cost someone else their freedoms. How heavily do I weight my own interests against those of a wider society? Political identities and philosophies are complicated, and can't necessarily be reduced to a single binary choice that is "best" in every scenario.

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