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[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 26 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

It's always funny to me how the go-to examples of like, "See, they just blindly support anything the regime does!" tend to be relatively minor events after the state in question has considerably chilled out. Like, Stalin and Mao did much worse things compared to Khrushchev/Hungary and Deng/Tienanmen. The problem being, communists are generally willing to criticize things like the Great Leap Forward, because, surprise surprise, we don't just blindly support anything they do. The reason for this is that the word tankie isn't meant to describe someone who blindly supports everything a communist country does, as it's claimed to, but rather, someone who supports anything any communist country does.

The fear Western leftists had that led to the term being coined was that people who had previously been critical of Stalin and Mao would respond positively to the countries moving away from their approach, and so they had to create a label to discredit such people and associate them with the previous leaders. It's one of the reasons Khrushchev's approach was questionable, because no matter how much you try to distance yourself from someone like Stalin and paint yourself as "one of the good ones," you're still never going to appease the Western left that demands absolute perfection, let alone the West in general.

[–] PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de 36 points 3 days ago (16 children)

nowadays tankie just means someone who shills for china/russia with a communist background

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 44 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Communists support the PRC as a Socialist state run by Marxist-Leninists, yes. No Communist supports the Russian Federation outright, however, only reserved, temporary, and highly critical support for Russia's anti-US Hegemony stance, which it only adopts for its own survival and not out of any moral superiority. No Communist "shills" for the Russian Federation.

[–] PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de 24 points 3 days ago (96 children)

If China is a socialist state worth supporting then I'm a donkey with a laser dick :P But I'm more anarchistically inclined so different perspective.

I see your point though. What I'm saying is not that communist = tankie, on the contrary. I'm saying that tankies claim to be communists but spend all day parroting their favorite Russian or Chinese state propaganda because they believe everything else is clearly controlled by Obamna™ himself. They rarely actually talk about communism, they just roam Lemmy all day calling everybody who disagrees with them a liberal :D

[–] Kieselguhr@hexbear.net 24 points 3 days ago (46 children)

anarchistically

True anarchist stance is when your geopolitical opinions about the US's rivals coincidentally align perfectly with that of the US State Department. It's always the other side that is propagandized.

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[–] Crikeste@lemm.ee 26 points 3 days ago (2 children)

It’s not shilling, it’s nuance. American main stream thinking is full of lies about both China and Russia. And both conservatives and liberals HATE when people don’t fall in line.

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[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 22 points 3 days ago

Weird way to say has at least modicum of understanding of geopolitics and doesn't support the genocidal western empire.

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[–] TheDoctor@hexbear.net 29 points 3 days ago (1 children)

For context: these are the original lines

[–] keepcarrot@hexbear.net 18 points 3 days ago

For whatever reason, I've seen fascists try to claim they are not fascists because they haven't done anything yet or are not close to the levers of power.

[–] bluewing@lemm.ee 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Much like the Scots ruining Scotland, liberals seem to delight in ruining liberalism. As time passes, I see liberals more worried about some other liberal's little slot in life. And less and less concerned with getting things done. The Big Picture is eschewed in favor of fighting over minutia.

We get what we are asking for.

[–] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml 30 points 3 days ago

If you don't have an opinion on it, you might when you learn the fascists were putting chalk marks on the doors of communists and jews

[–] CleverOleg@hexbear.net 23 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I have actually found the “tankie” moniker to be useful IRL:

Tell someone you’re a Marxist-Leninist and you just get a blank stare.

Tell someone you’re a socialist and they think you mean you’re simpatico with AOC and Bernie.

Tell someone you’re a communist and they will just shut down and not hear anything else you say.

But “tankie” seems to convey enough truth - that you support past and current efforts from AES states to build socialism - to be useful.

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