this post was submitted on 05 Sep 2023
106 points (90.8% liked)

Linux

48333 readers
651 users here now

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Linux is a family of open source Unix-like operating systems based on the Linux kernel, an operating system kernel first released on September 17, 1991 by Linus Torvalds. Linux is typically packaged in a Linux distribution (or distro for short).

Distributions include the Linux kernel and supporting system software and libraries, many of which are provided by the GNU Project. Many Linux distributions use the word "Linux" in their name, but the Free Software Foundation uses the name GNU/Linux to emphasize the importance of GNU software, causing some controversy.

Rules

Related Communities

Community icon by Alpár-Etele Méder, licensed under CC BY 3.0

founded 5 years ago
MODERATORS
top 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] Klaymore@sh.itjust.works 54 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Wayland all the way, 120 hz Freesync monitor with 60 hz second monitor works perfectly on KDE Plasma with AMD. No fussing about with X11 configs or worrying about if the compositor is active or not, it just works.

load more comments (5 replies)
[–] Ozzy@lemmy.ml 50 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Don't bother choosing. Use whatever the distro gives you until you actually have a reason to switch

[–] creation7758@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago

I use arch btw. My distro doesn't give me anything. I was on x11. Wanted to experiment a bit and now I'm configuring hyprland. Going well for me so far

[–] burrito@sh.itjust.works 34 points 1 year ago

Wayland is the future. X11's future is dead. Unfortunately there are still some growing pains. Xwayland mostly works but I have issues with it sometimes.

[–] Certainity45@lemmy.ml 27 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Wayland. No screen tearing and it doubled my battery life.

load more comments (5 replies)
[–] michaelrose@lemmy.ml 27 points 1 year ago

If you don't know install a distro and use what comes with it by default and only worry about digging into the plumbing if something doesn't work for you.

Ideally you let your distro worry about plumbing.

I think Mint is nice if you don't need bleeding edge stuff. You can use Cinnamon which runs x11 but will eventually support Wayland.

I've heard good things about suse which has a rolling release option and supports gnome and KDE under Wayland.

Arch of course is a thing if you don't mind a manual transmission as it were.

Personally I might pick Mint to get started.

[–] Presi300@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Wayland, because it's faster, more stable, handles multi-monitor better, you can have animations while playing a game, no tearing, no fcking around window managers/compositors or shit, lower memory usage and 1:1 touchpad gestures

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] lukas@lemmy.haigner.me 20 points 1 year ago

Wayland. Because it's X12. Not a spiritual successor to X11, but an implementation of a subset of X12 by the X11 people. The fact that X11 even works for desktop is a miracle, and only possible due to everyone deploying ass-backwards workarounds to make it work. Now the only changes to Xorg are related to Xwayland.

[–] beteljuice@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 year ago

Wayland for better multimonitor support, scaling, and tear-free rendering.

[–] RandomVideos@programming.dev 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Wayland because X is owned by Elon Musk

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] Ocelot@lemmies.world 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wayland first, but have both installed so you can fall back to X11 if you need to. If you do have to go back check wayland again after every few updates. X is dying a long-needed death. It started off has a hack decades ago and has just been held together with duct tape ever since. There are some not so great things in wayland with some apps, sometimes issues with context menus or screen recording for example, but they’re getting fixed over time.

I do kind of miss x forwarding over SSH. It was really convenient, there might be something for wayland but I haven’t looked for a while.

[–] azvasKvklenko@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I tried Waypipe over SSH and it worked. It was long ago, it might be even better now, I don't know. https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/emersion/waypipe

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] matejc@matejc.com 16 points 1 year ago

Both have issues, just that X11 has old issues that rarely someone is workin on, while Wayland has new ones and people are fixing them. So Wayland for me, thank you.

[–] hitagi@ani.social 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

X11. I heard NVIDIA is buggy on Wayland. Also, I've never really had much problems with X11 and my system setup.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 15 points 1 year ago (15 children)

X11 for X11Forwarding over SSH.

Wayland because I want something actively maintained and progressive.

load more comments (15 replies)
[–] sashanoraa@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 1 year ago

Wayland if possible because it generally performes better and is actively maintained. Xorg if Wayland doesn't support your system yet.

[–] siberianlaika@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago

Wayland, especially with a laptop and/or a multi-monitor setup. It has a proper touchpad support with 1:1 gestures and setting different scaling factors for multiple monitors with different refresh rates is a breeze.

[–] LinuxSBC@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wayland. It generally works a bit better at this point, and it will only continue improving while X11 falls behind. I occasionally need to switch back to X.org for some legacy screen-casting or remote desktop apps, but even the ones that support Linux as an afterthought are starting to add beta Wayland support.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] mojo@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago

Wayland just feels more polished and clean.

[–] FarLine99@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Wayland. Touchscreen support and gestures. No scaling issues. Better smoothness.

load more comments (3 replies)
[–] snowfalldreamland@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago (15 children)

I get screen tearing when gaming on x11 so i use wayland and I only switch to x11 if i need to screenshare on discord.

load more comments (15 replies)
[–] theshatterstone54@feddit.uk 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If Wayland works well enough for you, Wayland. If it doesn't work, X11

I would refer you to this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UW3nYiK3nd0

[–] hermit3@lemmy.one 10 points 1 year ago

Wayland, security

[–] cmysmiaczxotoy@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wayland if you have more that one monitor. X11 can support multiple monitors but it is a disaster.

Rustdesk doesn't work on Wayland and that is a real bummer

[–] bonfire921@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I run a dual monitor on X11 and never understood why people have issues with it? I'm by no means a Linux expert and I do run in Nvidia, I run different refresh rates. Can someone explain it to me?

[–] i_lost_my_bagel@seriously.iamincredibly.gay 6 points 1 year ago (6 children)

If your monitors are different DPIs then multimonitor X11 is awful.

If you're questioning why anyone would have monitors with different DPIs remember that laptops exist.

load more comments (6 replies)
load more comments (2 replies)
[–] Juujian@sopuli.xyz 10 points 1 year ago

Wayland, but I mourn for X11. So many great tools, you could truly do anything. You're just not allowed to have fun in Wayland :D

[–] MyNameIsRichard@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Xorg on my desktop. kwin-wayland still has many problems for me, from major things like windows vanishing and screen flickering with my Nvidia card to minor but annoying things like a random system tray pop-up popping up after clearing notifications. Also the force blur kwin script is not working under wayland.

Wayland on my Intel only laptop because it mostly works (apart from the pop-ups)

[–] Chewy7324@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 1 year ago

Wayland, because anything I want to do is possible with wlroots compositors like sway. And if you don't need a feature not yet implemented in wayland (e.g. screen tearing), wayland is usually the better experience.

Obviously switching from X11 to a standalone Wayland compositor like sway involves changing out some apps, it's a core component of your system afterall. But xrandr has it's wayland alternatives, rofi has lbonn's fork with wayland support, dmenu has it's equivalent, etc. The X11 tools might work, but usually aren't as good of a experience (e.g. rofi X11 might stay in the foreground while not being able to react to keypresses, rofi-wayland fixes this.).

And I really like to try new things and be at the edge off new technology, so I really wanted to use wayland (And have been using it for years at this point).

[–] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Currently, you should use X11 unless you have a good reason to use Wayland, such as using multiple monitors with different refresh rates.

There are still some issues with Wayland, but once they are worked out, then Wayland will be the better choice.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] chili1553@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Wayland da god

X11 because it's what I already have installed.

When I have/want to make a change then I'll go with Wayland :)

[–] MrNorm@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

I'm in Wayland but that's because I'm Intel Integrated. If it was Nvidia I might have leaned more towards X111

[–] cyclohexane@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

For most users, it doesn't matter. Just go with whatever your preferred DE uses. I love Hyprland, which uses Wayland, so I use that. I also like bspwm, so I would also use Xorg for that.

Wayland has a few issues still. I have issues with zoom lately, for example. Share screen also has trouble sometimes.

[–] victron@programming.dev 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I love Wayland. But I go with X11 because fucking Slack. Video calls crash the whole thing on Wayland.

Edit: Debian 12, with Kde Plasma. The same thing happened with Gnome. It's a known issue afaik

[–] gentooer@programming.dev 7 points 1 year ago

Wayland. I'm quite happy not to have to delve into xorg.conf for my keyboard layout.

[–] hottari@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wayland. I like smooth and shiny and X is on the way out, even RH doesn't want anything to do with it.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] miikaroo@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago

I use Wayland because of my multi monitor setup not playing nice otherwise.

[–] nao@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago

wayland, because tiny animations like a loading spinner don’t use enough cpu to make fans spin

[–] GustavoM@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Now that Hyprland exists... Wayland all the way. Its a bit buggy compared to Sway... but its fast, snappy and very lightweight.

load more comments (3 replies)
[–] ngoomie@pawb.social 6 points 1 year ago

I honestly just stick with X11 because of the high degree of compatibility, and I often already rely on X11-only software anyways like Redshift (I know there's Wayland-supporting alternatives, but I'm picky and don't like switching if I don't feel I need to), also my DE/WM of choice is currently awesomewm and I think I've heard mixed things about using awesomewm on Wayland (or it might not even be compatible at all. I just woke up and I'm struggling to remember lol)

[–] 0x0@social.rocketsfall.net 5 points 1 year ago

Both of them have issues depending on the setup. X11 has worked flawlessly in my experience. Wayland has worked the same for most.

Personally, Wayland still has some growing pains, especially in regards to Input handling (mouse, keyboard, etc). In X11 it was "trivial" to edit one file and have the settings stick across different WMs (switching from DWM to i3, etc.) There's no standard for this with Wayland since it's up to the compositor to handle these things, meaning you're relearning how to do something as basic as setting pointer speed each time you try a new compositor. This is my only real fair gripe about it currently, as the rest of my complaints are just due to how young a lot of the Wayland-specific tools are - this will improve with time.

load more comments
view more: next ›