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[–] setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world 27 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Wow this push against Valve kind of popped up quickly and suddenly didn't it?

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[–] inlandempire@jlai.lu 33 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

PCGamer really hates doing journalism mhm ? You have to figure out which link goes back to the actual article about the mentioned report, and then find which link directly goes to the report : https://www.adl.org/resources/report/steam-powered-hate-top-gaming-site-rife-extremism-antisemitism

The full report actually provides a lot more information and answers some legitimate questions, and other ignorant comments raised in here, there's an entire appendix about their method and how they fine tuned an ai model to review 150+ million profile pictures / 600+ million comments

There's also interesting info about the customization of Steam profile, which I don't remember Steam publicly sharing :

At the time of data collection, Steam Community had 458.32 million users. Of these, 418.4 million were public profiles and 39.68 million were private profiles (even if a profile was private, there was certain related information that was publicly available).

Many of Steam Community’s 458.32 million users have not customized their accounts extensively. Only 7.4% of public profiles have a summary, Steam Community’s equivalent of a social media bio. 41.8% of profiles use Steam community’s default profile picture, making it the most common avatar on Steam, present on 191.2 million profiles.

Most Steam Community users are also not particularly active. One proxy for activity is player level, which users can increase by activities such as buying games or collecting trading cards while playing games on Steam. Among the 91.69% of Steam Community users who publicize their level, the average level is 2.8 and the median level is 0.0 (the maximum level observed was 5,001). Our detections should be interpreted with this context in mind.

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[–] whotookkarl@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

Yes, moderate all of that shit off every mass social media system steam, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, blue sky, tiktok, YouTube, etc. Debate and compromise on a common set of standards, one for kids spaces and another for adults, and enforce the same rules to everyone with penalties tied to annual revenues so they can't report one set of numbers to shareholders and another when it comes time to pay for the damages they caused by ignoring regulations. That is what regulating and building new markets should look like when you don't have a corrupt oligarchy filled with bribery and regulatory capture.

[–] vulgarcynic@sh.itjust.works 14 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Yeah let's suggest these kids spending their time somewhere way safer like Matt Gaetz's mansion.

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[–] SplashJackson@lemmy.ca 15 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Unsafe? Like is the game going to stab them?

[–] TrousersMcPants@lemmy.world 20 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It's a great place to create extremists, there is basically no moderation and people say some fucking awful shit on Steam forums. I think this is a long time coming, honestly.

[–] SplashJackson@lemmy.ca 10 points 3 days ago (12 children)

I just see people in the discussions forums talking about how to get all the achievements in Stellaris

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[–] Taokan@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 days ago

NGL, when I first saw Warner making a public fuss over this, I had a bit of a reaction. Like, no one comes after my boy steam, I like my games and I like my platform. And maybe it's because I don't engage in many public multiplayer games these days, but I just haven't really come across this extremist content frequently enough to feel Congress needs to get involved.

But...

I can see from the comments, my anecdotal experiences aren't the whole picture. And I do get that sometimes in an otherwise free market, regulation is necessary to prevent a situation where a company does the right thing and then suffers financially from the backlash/boycott that ensues. Better to let the government be the ones to take the heat by those that get upset by the moderation.

But I also kind of agree with the sentiment, Congress needs to clean up its own hate speech and ethics, before further legislating what everyone else should be doing.

[–] Grass@sh.itjust.works 21 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Literally turning america entirely into an unsafe place then threatening others for it. Are they trying to do a government take over of a shiny appealing money maker? It sure seems like they actually want the nazis everywhere else, I bet if they actually do anything they will keep the nazis if they actually exist in the first place.

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[–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 16 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Steam discussion forums on every game are a complete dumpster fire. Someone needs to do better, whether it is Steam themselves or moderators.

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[–] reksas@sopuli.xyz 15 points 3 days ago (2 children)

they go after my hobbies and i will turn into extremist

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[–] DieserTypMatthias@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

What has Valve done right?

  • Proton
  • Steam
  • Steam deck
  • Steam market (the place to sell underpriced skins for small amounts of money) What has Valve done wrong?
  • Loot boxes
  • Moderation (it is impossible)
  • Their anti-cheat (Swiss cheese of anti-cheats, >!EAC and BattlEye are better!<)

Overall, I prefer Valve and Steam over a Chinese holding firm that almost has the monopoly over the gaming industry and the company with a black logo that has a close-minded CEO and Sweeney'd to Tencent.

[–] dsilverz@thelemmy.club 7 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Beyond all of those, there's GOG.

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