this post was submitted on 06 Nov 2024
41 points (90.2% liked)

Asklemmy

44154 readers
1007 users here now

A loosely moderated place to ask open-ended questions

Search asklemmy πŸ”

If your post meets the following criteria, it's welcome here!

  1. Open-ended question
  2. Not offensive: at this point, we do not have the bandwidth to moderate overtly political discussions. Assume best intent and be excellent to each other.
  3. Not regarding using or support for Lemmy: context, see the list of support communities and tools for finding communities below
  4. Not ad nauseam inducing: please make sure it is a question that would be new to most members
  5. An actual topic of discussion

Looking for support?

Looking for a community?

~Icon~ ~by~ ~@Double_A@discuss.tchncs.de~

founded 5 years ago
MODERATORS
 

I’ve just bought a new fridge and it comes with a section to hold eggs. I’ve never stored them in the fridge since salmonella isn’t really a problem here because our chickens are vaccinated. Does anybody in the UK actually refrigerate their eggs?

As an aside, I tend to decide what goes into the fridge based on where it was in the supermarket. If they don’t refrigerate it, neither do I. So for eggs, I don’t.

Secondary question - what am I gonna use the egg holder in the fridge for now, other than maybe briefly cooling my balls?

top 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 39 points 1 month ago (5 children)

It's not just vaccination - European eggs aren't pressure washed like American ones to remove the protective coating.

I've honestly never understood why America does that to their eggs.

[–] Stovetop@lemmy.world 44 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Salmonella. It's carried in chicken dung, sometimes eggs get a bit of feces on them, so the US washes them to attempt to reduce exposure.

Problem is that without the protective coating, the eggs are more permeable and susceptible to bacterial infection, hence the refrigeration.

So it's a question of whether it's better to reduce bacteria exposure or susceptibility. I am sure there's research out there with numbers indicating one works better than the other, but it's been such a long-standing thing at this point that I don't think Americans would trust unrefrigerated eggs.

[–] protist@mander.xyz 9 points 1 month ago

The research shows both methods are equally effective at controlling salmonella, afaik

[–] cynar@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

Both work for protecting humans. However, I believe vaccination is better overall. It also improves the quality of life of the chickens. Unfortunately, it's also (very slightly) more expensive, so America went the cheap route. The EU mandated to reduce animal cruelty, by vaccination.

[–] flubba86@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

In Australia our eggs are kept in the refrigerated section in the supermarket (usually near the cheese and butter, because everyone knows eggs are dairy), and we've always put them in the fridge at home, so I guess they wash the protective coating off here too.

load more comments (3 replies)
[–] Vanth@reddthat.com 23 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Refrigerating eggs also roughly doubles their shelf life.

Is salmonella vaccination required in the UK now? It's been a few years but last I knew it was voluntary and roughly 3/4 of egg farmers did do it.

Egg farmers? Chicken ranchers? Poultry producer? Idk what they're called.

[–] Quicky@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Refrigerating eggs also roughly doubles their shelf life.

Yeah that’s fair enough, although they already last for ages. β€œCan’t wait to eat these eggs in a month”.

[–] evasive_chimpanzee@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Do yourself a favor and find a local small farmer to buy eggs directly from. They are much better than supermarket eggs. It's not necessarily a matter of keeping eggs from going bad, it's more about preserving them at that peak flavor/texture. I have no clue where this picture is from, so I don't know if the data are sound, but you get the idea. https://digitaleggtester.com/wordpress/wp-content/themes/nabel/files/images/egg/img_yi02.png

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] Rogue@feddit.uk 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

The correct term is Fowl Fiddler

[–] dingus@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

This sounds like something you'd get arrested for.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] menemen@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

We don't have to in Germany, but they last longer and sometimes we don't eat a lot of eggs. Putting them in the fridge ensures that we can safely eat them even quite some time after the expiration date (then we cook them fully though).

[–] dingus@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

I'm in the US, so I do have to store eggs in the fridge. BUT I do what you do for a lot of foods that don't need to be refrigerated. I refrigerate them anyway because they last longer. I live alone, so my groceries don't deplete as fast as people with large families, and so it makes sense for me to try to stave off food spoilage as long as possible.

[–] Nighed@feddit.uk 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I put them in the fridge... On top of the egg holder ... In their box 😈

I don't get through many, so putting them there means I know they are probably still good after a couple of months. The box has the best before date to let me know if I need to float test then.

[–] Quicky@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

I put them in the fridge... On top of the egg holder ... In their box

Absolute madman

[–] PeroBasta@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

Same in Italy. But i pur them in the fridge because they last a lot longer

[–] 30p87@feddit.org 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I've always done that, here in germany. They are supposed to last at least ~2 weeks (or so, idk) at room temperature, after all they are stored like that in stores. But the eggs I have right now are more like 3-4 weeks old, so I prefer to put them in the fridge, because why not? They don't take much space and last for double as long, so 6 weeks.

[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 month ago

In the US, eggs are washed, which significantly decreases their shelf life.

[–] whaleross@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

I do here in Sweden despite there is no need. Mostly because it is the convenient place in my kitchen.

When I buy supermarket eggs, I refrigerate them because they are washed (in the US). When I get unwashed eggs (from a farm or a friend), I still refrigerate them and just wash them prior to use. I don't have to refrigerate them since they have the cuticle intact, but refrigerating them still makes them stay fresher longer, so if I have the space for them, why would I not?

That said, the eggs already come in a carton, so I'm not going to transfer them into a separate container in my fridge for no reason.

[–] Thavron@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

As an aside, I tend to decide what goes into the fridge based on where it was in the supermarket. If they don’t refrigerate it, neither do I.

There are quite a few items that are fine to store unrefrigerated until opened, but need to stay cold afterwards. Jam comes to mind.

[–] Joshi@aussie.zone 2 points 1 month ago

This is true, an egg won't last long unrefrigerated after its opened ;)

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] Quicky@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Yeah I know, that’s why I was focusing on UK egg-fanciers.

load more comments (4 replies)
[–] bstix@feddit.dk 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's detachable in my fridge.

I use the egg holder on the door shelf for small bottles that would otherwise fall over when the door is opened. Medicine or nail polish, that sort of thing.

I also the egg holder to .. hold the eggs .. after they're boiled, so I can fill the egg cooker instead of boiling just a few at a time. I use cold boiled eggs for sandwiches or salats.

I do not use it for holding raw eggs as those already come in an egg shaped carton.

[–] dutchkimble@lemy.lol 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

How long do boiled eggs in fridges last?

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] Eiri@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I live in Canada, where eggs need to be refrigerated, and yet I've never seen a fridge with an egg holder. I already have an egg holder. The box they came in.

[–] Quicky@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Still one too many pieces of packaging for my liking. Put the OG egg holder in the fridge. The chicken.

[–] Mothra@mander.xyz 3 points 1 month ago (7 children)

Why are you limiting your answer to UK? My decision to store eggs in the fridge has nothing to do with salmonella concerns and I believe it's likely people in the UK may also have similar judgement.

load more comments (7 replies)
[–] protist@mander.xyz 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The methods of salmonella mitigation, storing eggs from vaccinated chickens unwashed at room temp or storing washed eggs in the refrigerator, have roughly equal outcomes. There are still many egg-related salmonella outbreaks across Europe each year, roughly equivalent to the US. One method is not superior to another as far as outcomes, they're just two different systems that already exist and therefore are unlikely to change without a good reason

[–] FQQD@lemmy.ohaa.xyz 3 points 1 month ago

Idk, I think my family, as Germans, does this.

[–] mannycalavera@feddit.uk 3 points 1 month ago

We do.... but we don't need to. Just force of habit.

[–] craseng@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago

US have to store eggs in the fridge because they mandatory wash them before selling, brushing away the natural protection layer that enhance durability.

Why bother? They're safe at room temperature unless they've already been refrigerated, might as well use that fridge space for some that actually benefits from the cold.

At room temperature they're good for a month or two. If you want long term storage you might as well prep and freeze them which will last you about a year, or there's a ton of other long-term preservation techniques.

[–] Joshi@aussie.zone 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Apricots, upside down pears, Easter eggs, those teeny tiny sealed shot glasses of UHT milk you get in hotels, those big marbles we used to call Tom bowlers in primary school, eye balls, a large toy ant(assuming 6 holes in the holder rather than 12, otherwise 2 large toy ants)

The possibilities are endless!!!!

[–] elucubra@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 month ago

I think it is obvious that the intended use is Easter eggs, and kinders in a pinch. Also, that sock drawer to keep socks cool in the summer is genius

[–] sunbrrnslapper@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Dumb question: where do you store your eggs now, if not the fridge? My American mind is reeling.

[–] Quicky@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This’ll blow your mind, but I actually put the box on top of the fridge. It makes sense in my kitchen layout, but I understand how much of fridge-tease it is for them.

[–] sunbrrnslapper@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

This did in fact blow my mind!

[–] r00ty@kbin.life 2 points 1 month ago

This is actually a very big difference with the USA and the UK (and possibly most of Europe, not sure though). We generally store eggs outside of the fridge. On a shelf or in a pantry/cupboard for example.

Eggs survive in the wild at ambient temp because when they are laid, a coating basically seals off the egg. Unfortunately, chickens have one hole, and they are messy animals, so there's often some poop, too. In many countries, this coating is left intact, and technically, you should wash eggs before using them so nothing from the shell ends up inside when you crack it. As Americans, we have bigger houses and bigger fridges, and we love convenience, so we wash our eggs prior to packaging. This means they have to be refrigerated.

Either approach works, but the important thing is not to leave washed eggs unrefrigerated.

[–] Luvs2Spuj@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I don't keep them in the fridge, I've got my own hens and I didn't before when I got shop bought eggs. I have 0 concern about salmonella or anything like that.

The fridge egg holder is for keeping hard boiled eggs, not raw ones.

[–] Quicky@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The fridge egg holder is for keeping hard boiled eggs, not raw ones.

That’s an interesting observation, I hadn’t thought of that. Although the day I consider pre-boiling eggs for later consumption is the day I give up on the illusion of youth.

[–] considine@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I grow old, I grow old

I wear my trousers rolled

Shall I eat a peach?

Nah, it's 3:00 pre-boiled egg time

Then some ~~Wheel of Fortune~~ QI and a nap

load more comments
view more: next β€Ί