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  • Swedish Minister wants to deport migrants who do not hold Swedish citizenship if they show support to terrorist groups.
  • The spokesperson for migration policy in Sweden wants the law to be even more stringent - to include anyone who shows such acts of support.
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[–] wewbull@feddit.uk 98 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

...and let me guess. Critizing Israel's actions is tacit support of Hezbollah?

[–] jlh@lemmy.jlh.name 61 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Sweden up until recently had freedom of organization protected in the constitution. This was changed in a recent constitutional amendment at the request of Turkey, as a prerequisite to join NATO. Turkey demanded that Sweden arrest "PKK members" (aka journalists that Erdogan doesn't like), and to show support, both the Andersson and Kristersson administrations revived a constitutional amendment from 2021 and pushed it through, making it illegal to be a member of a terrorist organization.

https://www.regeringen.se/rattsliga-dokument/statens-offentliga-utredningar/2021/03/sou-202115/

https://www.nato.int/nato_static_fl2014/assets/pdf/2022/6/pdf/220628-trilat-memo.pdf

https://lagen.nu/2022:666

It's really an unfortunate development, since the terms "terrorist organization" and "support to terrorism" is so poorly defined, and it's clearly intended to punish political opposition in dictatorships, like Turkish and Kurdish opposition in Turkey. Very much a chilling effect on political discussion when foreign political oppositions are banned from speaking in Sweden, even when racist hate groups are still allowed to speak.

It does seem that the current law is still quite limited, at least. The Terrorist crime law of 2022 (Terroristbrottslagen) outlaws support, propagandizing, and recruiting for terrorist organizations, but this seems to be limited to only material support, organized propaganda and organization leadership. Simply going around waving a PKK flag still is legal, for now.

https://www.ui.se/utrikesmagasinet/analyser/2023/juli/terrorlagar-domstolar-far-bedoma-flaggviftning/

So luckily, I don't think it's possible to be deported simply for expressing expressing pro-Kurdish or pro-Palestinian independence ideas, or even expressing support for the violent people in PKK or Hamas.

Johan Forssell has also expressed a wish for a new law making it illegal to be in a criminal gang, but this has not passed yet. His view on the ongoing wars with Israel seems to be that Israel "has a right to defend itself", but that civilians must be protected and receive aid.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 16 points 3 weeks ago

Close. It makes you a Hamas headquarters.

[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 53 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

Hope nobody here supports Nelson Mandela.

[–] mumblerfish@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago

Best deport all Swedish politicians in parliament in 1990: https://archive.nelsonmandela.org/index.php/za-com-mr-s-24 And the party that this minister is in was against supporting the ANC and Mandela. So I would not be surprised if this argument won't move him.

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 41 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

It doesn't matter where in the world you are, the issue with forcibly deporting people is always the same: what do you do if the country you want to deport them to refuses to take them?

And the only answers I can see are let them go free in your country or keep them locked up indefinitely.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 18 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

And it's kind if shitty to try to just throw the problem at another country.

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[–] mumblerfish@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago

That is true. The swedish government is pushing quite hard to overfill prisons, probably in a long term plan to force it towards privatization. So I would not be surprised if it is even part of the plan.

But, also, I think one strategy suggested is just paying them. Threaten with prison, see at what price they break.

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[–] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 13 points 3 weeks ago

Is the BDS movement classified as a terrorist organisation? What about ANTIFA?

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago

The same minister probably:

That party who are against me, I'd call them terrorists!

[–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

And yet Israel supporters will be fine.

[–] granolabar@kbin.melroy.org 4 points 3 weeks ago

It aint a genocide when the lords "chosen" people do on "their" land.

[–] granolabar@kbin.melroy.org 5 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

Wtf is going on sweden?

How big of an issue can this be lol

Did all "terrorist" just moved there for some reason?

[–] OccamsTeapot@lemmy.world 19 points 3 weeks ago

The Sweden Democrats, once an openly Nazi but now a "not Nazis we promise" party are in the government. Like all "not Nazis" they spend most of their time looking for nebulous reasons to remove foreigners from the country.

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[–] Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

Good, immigrants who support terrorism don’t belong in Sweden or any other Western country.

Send them back and let them live with the organization they support.

[–] hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 21 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

Yeah, this suuuurely won't be used to silence pro-Palestine protestors.

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[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 18 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Because what we've found is governments are so good at determining who is right in a particular conflict.

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[–] b161@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 3 weeks ago

Yes, anyone who supports Israel should be deported to The Hague.

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