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For US people it is also unintelligible.

As I understand it, SovCits think there is this magical pool of money the government is keeping for everyone (for some nefarious purpose I don't understand), so they think they can get out off paying any debt they owe by sending some combination of paperwork that, in effect, says bill the government and have them pay it from the magic money pool. He sent, what I'm guessing is supposed to be, a bill of exchange saying bill the government. And included language that said if you don't respond that you are doing this within 3 days, the debt will be discharged and I owe you nothing. Because SovCits think they can just write things like that and they are automatically legally binding. The company ignored his nonsense and said pay us our money, so he filed a bunch of complaints with different organizations (SEC, CFPB). And despite all his flawless paperwork, the company ultimately took the car back.

First they sent the lender some form that they didn't understand, claiming that the form itself was sufficient payment for the loaned they'd agreed to pay. The lender sent back a letter that probably said something like "no, you have to pay us real money like we agreed to" and the person responded with more forms that they don't understand instead of paying their bills.

This very predictably led to their car being repoed, since they weren't paying the loan, because they have been lied to by the people in this FB group who think notaries (people who have been licensed to confirm "this was signed by the person who's name is on the the page") and certified mail (the post office got a signature from someone to prove it was delivered, nothing else) have magic powers to make a document legally binding.

The entire idea is based on the self-contradictory argument that laws can only apply to YOU if you consent to them, but any and every oddly worded clause from any law or court decision, from anywhere and any time in the past, binds everyone else, as long as you know the right magic words to invoke.

As a US person this was unintelligible.

That's it in a nutshell.

Here's a video that explains their deal. It gets fucking wild.

I like the hard to understand ones because I treat them like an English test, like I have to discover the hidden meaning behind the madness

For an American it's pretty goddamn unintelligible too.

A lot! Sometimes 50 dollars for some stupid form that has no bearing on what they're trying to do.

Probably autographed as Trustee instead of TRUSTEE, or signed instead of autographing.

"I'll stare directly at the sun but never in a mirror"

Sovcits are just greedy toxic people trying to cheat their way through life by and large, with the odd lost soul desperately trying to get out of a tough financial bind. They mostly want to get out of paying child support.

Please don't wish bad things on the poor legal staff. They're only trying to do their jobs.

Darrell brooks used a lot of sovereign citizen talking points in his trial. They unsurprisingly didn't work https://youtu.be/6W9r3vAQZ00

He could use it to generate more filled forms to submit!

The sad thing is, they often do. Especially cops. We keep seeing that from posts people put up in this community.

There's a lot of "I don't get paid enough to deal with this shit" when it comes to interacting with SovCits, so they get their way a lot more often than they should.

"Oh, the magic paperwork. Very good sir, here are the keys to your free car".

CFO probably didn't even see it. Their assistant just sent their standard threat on the CFO's stationary.

It must be amusing the first couple of times you run across this as a car dealership or bank or whatever, but yes it most get old quickly. My friend dealt with them in the course of her job for a while, but it was infrequent so it was just enough to be funny, since the sovcit movement isn't as popular in Canada yet.

I've been reading Canadian court transcripts this weekend (mostly to see judicial decisions on parents who clash over vaccinating their children which is interesting), and several of them use sovcit tactics. For example this one: https://www.canlii.org/en/nb/nbkb/doc/2023/2023nbkb97/2023nbkb97.html?resultId=c90ba206ff01487c88f4582dcafe8d21&searchId=2024-10-13T08:00:40:536/09c1ccfc0de84f3abba161a483a1b37a&searchUrlHash=AAAAAQAfVmFjY2luZSBjaGlsZHJlbiBuZXcgQnJ1bnN3aWNrIAAAAAAB

The father's written replies are classic sovcit language, referring to their child as their biological property.

Yes. It's largely propagated by idiot gurus who charge other idiots to learn the magic incantations that are supposed to get them around laws.

Kind of a chicken or egg scenario. Did con men spread the ideas to make money, or did they simply see a group of easy marks?

Is the sovcit movement founded on grifting?

Yes. Just like the libertarian "movement".

The critical document in this story is the BOE, but I have no idea what that's supposed to stand for.

I also don't know POA. (Maybe power of attorney, but doesn't make sense).

"Recision of security interest" sounds a lot like a document that attempts to void out the part of the loan papers that let the lender repossess the car on default.

CFO is chief financial officer, an executive at the lender organization.

UCC is the Uniform Commercial Code, a set of laws enacted in most states covering business practice regarding contracts and such.

SEC is the Securities and Exchange Commission, which regulates publicly traded stocks ("securities"). This seems to confuse the investment meaning of security with the different meaning of "security" on the loan.

CFPB is the federal Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. This organization does do things to protect borrowers in default from unfair debt collection practices. I can't imagine why they wouldn't just leap into action for this case.

Finally IRS collects federal income taxes. Form 3949a is a tattle tale form that lets you report things like your friend's improper deductions to the IRS. That's real nice.