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New York seeks 14,000 hotel rooms for immigrants as bill to house them hits $2.3bn (www.telegraph.co.uk)
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[–] CmdrShepard42@lemm.ee 23 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Only $162,000 per room yearly or $13,700 per month. What a bargain! Looks like their math is off though. At $352 per night x 14k rooms, they're about $500 million short of $2.3B but maybe that's bribery money that isn't counted toward housing these people.

According to Google, there are plenty of rooms at $100-$200 per night so why are they spending so much? Classic government 'assistance' where they make a big show of passing legislation and then barely any of the money alloted actually winds up where it's supposed to and instead winds up in the pockets of some contracting company.

[–] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 37 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It'd the telegraph. A Murdoch owned right wing rag that is just ginning up hate for immigrants in any way possible. I'd expect most of the article is made up.

[–] Badeendje@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Any idea what kind of an organization you would need to coordinate this kind of operation. Most likely the cost mentioned is the "all in" price for the whole ordeal surrounding these people.

[–] Badeendje@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This is what small government means. Not enough preparation to actually adress a foreseeable situation and then having to spend excessive amounts of public money on private enterprises.

If the state would have spent a billion on building housing for these people and another billion on affordable housing and infra.. it would have been a structural solution after year 1.. but never would have been financed by the lawmakers.

[–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This is spoken as someone who thinks they know something about NYC.

First off this article is actually about NYC, not the state of NY.

NYC is WILDLY blue. And NYC is WILDLY complicated and huge from a government perspective. It's so fucking large that the departments that are supposed to deal with specific policy/law can't even advise you on any of it. Then a week later you'll get a fine.

Literally everything you think you said about NYS... is opposite because it's NYC.

[–] Badeendje@lemmy.world -5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Spoken like a true american who is oblivious to the fact he is governed by the capital class, divided in right and ultra right political parties.

[–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Where did I say left or right? I'm actually deeply aware that left and right are poor nomenclatures and SPECIFICALLY chose not to use it. Mostly because left and right are completely different in the US vs the EU. However, Red and Blue in the USA specifically reference a particular political party. Of which NYC is deep and dark blue, where-as upstate NY (typically a reference to anything that isn't NYC and it's surrounding metro area) is oftentimes Red.

You claimed "small government". That's not what NYC is, not even close. It's the Republican party that runs on "Small Government" (incorrectly). But that's a moot point as NYC is Democrat.

But at least thanks for proving that you're talking about a topic you have no idea about. All you can do is run to ad hominem rather than actually discuss the problem.

Side note: I'm a dual citizen and hold both US and EU passports. Tell me that I'm a "true american" again, most of the people I interact with in the USA certainly don't hold the same point of view.

[–] Badeendje@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

You ran the ad hominem first buddy, I just replied in kind as you just waved away the remark with "it's complicated".

And the pressure of republicans and other small government freaks is felt everywhere. The simple fact of the matter is that having to resort to paying commercial parties for housing means the government missed the mark on allocating the funds to provide structural housing at much lower cost. Meaning it is a waste of tax dollars that could have been used elsewhere.

[–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You ran the ad hominem first buddy.

Where? So we're already at an impasse. My statement didn't completely hinge on your obvious lack of familiarity with NYC. You ignored the whole argument and turned around and called me oblivious. My statement had no malice, yours clearly did. Welcome to the block-list since you want to be a jackass.

So you learn for the future: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

Ad hominem is a Latin term for arguments that attack the person making a claim rather than the claim itself.

I didn't solely attack you. I pointed out your obvious lack of knowledge and then pointed out the actual underlying issues that prove your original statement incorrect. Your response was simply "Ignorant American!". Which was both factually wrong and a proper ad hominem. You addressed nothing further than your supposed attack on me. That's what makes the fallacy.

The simple fact of the matter is that having to resort to paying commercial parties for housing means the government missed the mark on allocating the funds to provide structural housing at much lower cost.

There is "structural" housing, and even a significant amount of it in the NYC area. It's all full up. It costs time and money to build more. And they don't have time because the people are there now. You can't just magic land, magic materials, magic builders, magic all the resources needed to build something in 1 day. And nobody is able to build at any speed to keep up with the breakneck amounts of crossings coming over the border looking for housing in NYC.

So you can call it a waste, but the alternative is that the housing people need now will be available in many months. So everyone goes without in the meantime. And those numbers will never converge with the policies in place right now.

[–] Badeendje@lemmy.world -1 points 1 month ago

So you again start by being smug and condescending, while crying that I bounced back your "you don't know what you are talking about, with a neither do you".

And then you go on by stating that they missed the mark and it's difficult... And they should have started building when the people where not here yes.. because everyone.. and I mean everyone... Knew they where coming. So if they would have built then.. it would have been ready now. And even if some where vacant for some time.. I'm sure there's plenty of new yorkers looking for affordable housing.

But no, america is special, New York is different compared to plenty of global capitals and mega cities.

[–] TheFriar@lemm.ee 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

An unused-since-the-pandemic office building sold in midtown for $8M. If this fucking incompetent govt had any sense whatsoever, they would buy one of those unused office spaces and convert it into a mid/high rise shelter. They would save a lot of money but even more people. But they don’t want to think this is permanent. But this is is only getting started, when the global south really starts ramping up its uninhabitability, we will need to get way more creative.

[–] Nighed@feddit.uk 10 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Office buildings are not built for housing, it's often very expensive to convert them.

(More plumbing requirements, legal requirements for natural light etc)

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 3 points 1 month ago

Granted.

Is it $2.3 billion yearly expensive?

[–] Sarmyth@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I feel it would be ideal for temporary shelters though. Larger public restrooms. Offices and cubicle partitions likely left over. Climate controls and often small kitchens.

[–] Nighed@feddit.uk 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Saying that minimum housing requirements don't apply to them is a slippery slope though!

And you know this wouldn't stay temporary, once it's allowed it would be normalised.

[–] Sarmyth@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

I mean, stadiums don't stay permanent shelters. We use temporary housing pretty often for emergencies, but I could see it turning into "sanctuary city" like structure as well.

As long as it's a temporary stop for the people in it, I think it's ok. It should be safe and comfortable, but also not their best housing option. I would like to see the bottom floor permanently converted into satellite offices for social services as well to better serve these groups, with the goal of getting them the assistance to leave the structure ASAP.