Unfortunately, this version violates the DSGVO by sending telemetry without being asked. This shoots the app directly into out. I hope that the developers have an insight here and remove this function as soon as possible.
this post was submitted on 03 Oct 2024
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What's DSVGO?
It's GDPR for Germans
An elaboration would be nice. GDPR applies to Germany as-is, right? So a local privacy law expanding on EU regulation?
It's just translated. Like bread -> Brot.
Leave it to the Germans to use a longer abbreviation when GSPR is right there and we're speaking Englisch
Yes all they did was take an existing private app and add their invasive telemetry spyware to it. How insulting.
Use a DNS firewall because when you start the app it sends telemetry data to Mozilla.
What kind of telemetry data does it send to Mozilla?
Mozilla added hundreds of classes of spyware to K9 in their mozilla.telemetry.glean.* (which previous to Mozilla's involvement was spyware free) and rebranded it "Thunderbird" and now advertise it as "privacy-focused" wow..
From an exodus privacy scan of the code:
603 tested signatures on 18351 classes (10929653)
Mozilla Telemetry
*Mozilla Telemetry 544mozilla.telemetry.glean.
file:///data/app/xxxx/net.thunderbird.android.beta-dP9rv7Vgn_LwPDaBlWsOsQ%3D%3D/base.apk
MD5sum: e2b6cf0e661008614b8d21e909a5a6b1 SHA1sum: fcca25ea751b071e94d5ae8b5e28d770bd5c460d SHA256sum: 9ced27f396fec09205c99ab60484cd6bf54befc35f03add942619713f0126e98
C=US,ST=California,L=San Fransisco,O=MZLA Technologies Corporation,OU=Mobile,CN=Android Team
SHA256withRSA
CERTIFICATE fingerprints: md5: 50a7fd1449c184cd456be2c71f73addd sha1: a17411f1092ca647500a8b6f0297e205088f4015 sha256: 056bfafb450249502fd9226228704c2529e1b822da06760d47a85c9557741fbd
Don't know exactly I only realized when I checked my DNS queries.
Probably, your device model, ip address, timezone and so on
I've been using it for a few days. It's a nice app that I plan to continue using. I'm not currently a power user but it has everything I need and has performed flawlessly to this point.
Thank you.
No way I am letting Mozilla handle my email communication.
On Android I recommend FairEmail.
When I had an Android, I used the paid version of FairMail. Very good app, would recommend to everyone.
I use the pro as well.
Isn't this just rebranded K-9? What even needs testing?
"Privacy focused" how can Mozilla lie like that? Mozilla must have a pretty dim view of users if they think they can take an existing private email app, add their disgusting user tracking code and advertise their new changes as "private".
Mozilla took over the K9 project and stuffed it full of intrusive telemetry just like firefox and Thunderbird on the desktop.
K9 has no telemetry, tracking or spyware, this version does.
PPA for your mobile email client, coming your way.
Pass I will not use this client.
Well, most all of the developpement work on k9 recently has been by mozilla.
Yes. Looking through K9's blog, "recently" is more than two years.
K9 didn't have a stable release for 3 years, until a previous contributor raised enough money to sponsor his work for a year or so. (Which I was happy to donate to, because K9 was starting to get really outdated UI-wise).
After that money ran out, they started working for MZLA Corp/Thunderbird more than two years ago.
Try it at the other day. Not gonna lie, it seems like a total downgrade versus K9. I'll not be upgrading.
Care to elaborate a little?
*code blocks are broken and have a fairly degraded UI *accounts and settings are hidden behind a show accounts that's terrible to reach with one hand. *the new sidebar is also terrible to use with one hand *settings is also hidden behind show accounts.
these are the issues I remember off hand, I already deleted the app
i hope they'll still over it through fdroid too.
Given that they dont offer firefox, I dont see why they would offer thunderbird
but they offer fennec, which is basically firefox without the google stuff, and k9 is already in fdroid so it'd be a shame if they pull it now.
from the page it looks like they're working on getting the beta in fdroid though, so here's hoping.
Thanks TIL about fennec fox
The Fennec F-Droid build isn't maintained by Mozilla, but by someone else. They link to Mozilla for donations and source code, but the issue tracker for Fennec on F-Droid links to their own repo.
K-9 Mail on F-Droid is maintained by the K9-team, which works for MZLA/Thunderbird. Thus I'd guess it shouldn't take to much work adding Thunderbird to F-Droid.
from the page it looks like they're working on getting the beta in fdroid though, so here's hoping.
https://gitlab.com/relan/fennecbuild
https://gitlab.com/fdroid/fdroiddata/-/blob/master/metadata/org.mozilla.fennec_fdroid.yml
It won't be allowed at fdroid its full of Mozilla's spyware.
K9-Mail has been and continues to be on F-Droid, while it's basically the same as Thunderbird Android, except for branding.
The low WiFi signal in the play store screenshots is stressing me out lol
Been using K-9 for a time and tried Thunderbird - it feels kind of smoother and there are some visual overhauls but ended uninstalling it because it was hard for me to tell which mails were unread (and which ones not) in the main mail list while in dark mode. I guess I'm not the only one who felt that way and surely they will fix it but this also left me the sensation that there's not much sense in switching to Thunderbird if you're using K-9.
K9 is Thunderbird. You'll be switching if you like it or not. If you want, write a bug report on the visibility issue.
K9 is not Thunderbird. There is a critical difference.
K9 is a private respecting app which contains no malicious user tracking telemetry, this app does.
On 13 June 2022, it was announced that K-9 Mail had been taken over by MZLA Technologies Corporation, a subsidiary of the Mozilla Foundation with current maintainer Christian Ketterer joining the team, and plans for K-9 Mail to be rebranded as Thunderbird for Android following the completion of a feature roadmap, including sync with Thunderbird on PC, integrating Thunderbird's automated account setup system, message filtering, and improvements to folders.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K-9_Mail
Bit of a, bit of b. It is not yet. But the final version of Thunderbird will replace K9. So if you're not happy with the beta, write an issue in their bug tracker.
No that will not work, users already opened an issue and asked to remove the spyware and Mozilla closed it:
https://github.com/thunderbird/thunderbird-android/issues/8199
Mozilla has gone full evil already, they took the only full featured, completely privacy respecting email app on the platform and killed it and they did it sneakily as well just like they did with PPA on firefox.
Luckily K9 in its existing version is fully functional. Users who care about privacy can continue to use K9.
An old version or a fork though
Yes that is what we are left with.
Mozilla bought k9 and killed it, sad day for users.
K9 is Thunderbird
Seems you didn't even read my comment - but no, at least for the moment K-9 is not Thunderbird..
K9 has been Thunderbird for quite a while now. The name hasn't changed yet officially, but the team has been incorporated a good while ago.
Not sure why people are downvoting you, you're right.
Here's the announcement from over 2 years ago.
They are the same. It is the same app. They have announced that they will keep both K9 and Thunderbird in parallel, but the underlying program is the same - it will be only a cosmetic difference. This has to do with app IDs and user preferences, etc.
Here is the K9 Beta that is the same version as the new Thunderbird (beta) app. You are just switching from the beta back to the release.
Edit: sorry link was missing: https://github.com/thunderbird/thunderbird-android/releases/tag/K9MAIL_8_0b1
we don't need another mail app. they should've just supported FairEmail. it's great and works flawlessly. developed by one guy who does not get enough in return. if you can, support him by buying the premium version and yourself by switching to the best android mail client. https://email.faircode.eu/
Fairemail can still not compete with K-9, besides that the premium version cost €7,49 while K-9 is still free