"we respect the protests, but we will remove everyone that will protest"
the part "decide that don't want to be a mod anymore" is so infuriating and unrespectful. Like they don't know what's goin on...
this post was submitted on 21 Jun 2023
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Actually, as a mod, that's the strongest action you could take... stop moderating for free for reddit. "Jun 12, 2023 When they're all functioning normally, Reddit boasts nearly 140,000 active subreddits at any given time" according to https://wegotthiscovered.com/social-media/how-many-subreddits-are-on-reddit/ Now imagine 1 in 10 subreddits were abandoned by their mods. That's 14,000 subreddits without moderation. Let Spez take over the role of the Landed Gentry for 14,000 subreddits. If he thinks he's not making money now, how much will he have to pay to take care of all those subreddits?
As much as I agree with you, I have to disagree as well. In the short term they would have to pay their staff to mod those pages. But for how long will it take for them to find another sucker of a mod to do it for free?
Yes it would cost them money but it would not be for long.
That's slippery. Pay one mod, and no more mods will be willing to work for free anymore. The only reason a mod was seen as a volunteer position is because there was an overall informal agreement that the community collectively owned the subreddit, its activity and its content. Reddit just made it very clear that they think the corporation owns the content, and the users that produce the content in the subreddits. The facade is gone, pay one mod and Reddit unravels even faster.
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Dear person volunteering your time and effort for what you thought was a worthy endeavor. We're trying to commodify your work so we can make a killing so don't fuck it up for us.
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Fuck em. This is my first post on Lemmy and I'm happy it exists.
“Reopen this, or else!”
But they’re carefully avoiding to say or else what. My guess is every next step option would cost them resources at the scale of subreddits they’re reaching out to, so they’re hoping that the empty threat alone will cause some to relent without costing them anything. Right?
What's there to take? Like, these guys are working for free running on their enthusiasm and passion. You make them question whether the community is really worth their time, even if they relent for now, how does that do reddit any good? It isn't like reddit has any actual power over the mods on their ultimate decision of quiting.
Unfortunately, from what I'm seeing in a lot of subs, it's working. You do have protests from places like r/aww and r/pics doing the John Oliver thing, and r/Steam posting about literal steam. But it seems like on the large, threats of people losing their ability to give Reddit free labor is working to get subs back open.
Edit: r/pics changed, they've chosen total anarchy.
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Subreddits belong to the community of users...
Spez, read that again. Slower this time.
It's not even true though. Subreddits belong to the user who creates it, they become the top mod and delegate to other mods. If users don't like how a subreddit is moderated, they are free to make their own subreddit - they aren't supposed to take over someone else's subreddit.
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Open it back up and just stop moderating it? Make them mildly infuriated that you're acting your wage.
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"Hey mod! Go back working for free so we can make money or we'll take action you peasant. You own nothing. Kneel and obey."
Steve Hoffman probably
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Roses are red, violets are blue. Open your sub, or we'll boot you too.
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Reddit: "Subreddits are for the community of reddit users who rely on them."
Community of reddit users: "We think the sub should stay private, and if you force it open, we'll spam sexy John Oliver and porn."
Reddit: "wait no not like that"
This message is mind-blowingly tone deaf.
It's not tone deaf so much as it's gaslighting. Their intention isn't to get compliance or work through any of the valid concerns - their intention seems to be to cover themselves and give plausible deniability for potential investors.
They're sending this to mods as if they are the audience, which we know is not the case since anything the mods say is not actually considered.
Alright. They can hire some employees to moderate all of Reddit then.
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Fuck em. God its nice to be able to say "fuck em" without having to worry about elon or spez getting butthurt and banning my account.
Moderating is volunteer work. Spez is a narcissist. Why volunteer for a narcissist?
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"subreddits belong to the community of users who come to the for support" good way to justify kicking a mod with a passion for such a community and forcing people to post only the things you want.
Because if you force people to have fun they'll be happy, of course.
Mhm I just got info that a certain Poo the bear wants to talk to you about strongarming communities. But don't worry, his methods definitely work.
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OMG, can you play a reverse uno card on this? So much of this argument is the problem with the changes they are making. So frustrating.
Guessing they’ll just restore a backup from before the shutdown and install new Reddit backed mods. I can’t see this really going any other way. Maybe the subscribed users will drop out of the restored subreddit, but I’m guessing most people just won’t care.
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Subreddita belong to the community is not what reddit says when mods abuse their power
LMAO I got this too. Probably just gonna open 'er back up with minimal mod-activity. Let the bots and NSFW problems flow rampant.
Fuck Spez, Lemmy is doing alright. (I like community ran solutions better anyway)
I just deleted three of my reddit accounts. I am done. As an artist, I have more work to do on my primary current account. I feel I should delete my art from reddit so that they can not make money from my art and music.
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lol, "subreddits belong to the community of users..." clearly doesn't belong to the users. That's the whole problem
They are slowly taking away the platforms of free speech. First they came for the self hosted websites; then they changed the search engine functions; then they came for twitter; now they are at Reddit. Make no mistake this is not just about an IPO. This is about controlling how the public communicates. Discourse is discouraged.
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Can’t wait to see Reddit crash and burn
It's interesting how during numerous examples of users trying to fight mod teams over changing direction of the sub, new rules, unwanted new mods etc., and getting admins involved, the answer was ALWAYS the same "Subs are owned by their creators/mods. If you don't like it you can always create a new one".
Suddenly they belong to communieties? Communities that in numerous examples voted by themselves to stay closed? How absolutely full of shit they are...
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a duty to keep these spaces active Redditors rely on these spaces for information, support, entertainment, and connection.
I thought it was private property lmao. Conversation spaces shouldn't act as public plazas when they're private.
Im a reddit mod with a sub over 20 million - today they removed our top mod, and then sent us a message saying that 'we requested a re-ordering'. It's total bullshit.
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A few days ago I didn't have a single reason to leave reddit. Yet, with so many reasons now, here I am, and I look forward to lemmy and kbin.
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Subreddits belong to the community of users…
So you're providing tools to allow democratic control of subreddits, right?
Right?
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It's pretty obvious that reddit needs these communities. But these communities don't need Reddit, clearly.
What short sighted assholes
Yeah this type of stuff brought me Lemmy.
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