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[–] tiredofsametab@kbin.social 65 points 1 year ago (13 children)

That's insane. I have the same Bose over-the-ear (I can't stand in-ear) headphones for years. They have been to the gym with me, jogging, and just existing in a humid, Tokyo summer for the last 5.5 years and have zero electronic issues. I did replace the exterior cushiony bit twice now, but the actual electronics are fine.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I've had some Bose Quiet Comfort (I think maybe it was the very first model, but might be the 2nd) for over a decade, with tons of use (for a while I did software development in the middle of a Trading Floor, think highly intellectual focus requiring work in the middle of a fishmonger's market) and had to use those things all the time.

They're all scratched on the outside by now (from going in and out of a backpack) and the ear cups were replaced twice.

Still work fine.

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[–] echodot@feddit.uk 60 points 1 year ago (9 children)

They cost $550, but they're certainly not worth $550

Stop buying logos people

[–] EliasChao@lemmy.one 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Funnily enough, I don’t think there are any visible Apple logos in the AirPods Max.

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

They don't literally mean a logo in this case they essentially mean don't buy a brand because of the brand but something because it's good and worthwhile.

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[–] terminhell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 43 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Is this another "your holding it wrong" level argument they're making?

[–] wth@sh.itjust.works 41 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I have a lot of apple kit - I appreciate their over-engineered approach to a lot of hardware, and I like their approach to privacy.

But they do make mistakes in design - the puck, the aerials, butterfly keyboards, unrepairability of design…

And one thing I really hate is their response to those errors. Its almost always to blame the user. I just wish they would be honest.

[–] MeanEYE@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago (11 children)

There's nothing over-engineered in Apple products. They are the least amount of effort and maximum amount of polish to dazzle the masses so people think price is justified and give feeling of quality.

Throughout the history they have failed to fix common and known issues in generations of laptops. They chose cheaper version of aluminium which caused the bending of the phones. They reduced cost of manufacturing by removing a single drop of glue beneath a single chip which resulted in number of their plus sized phones to lose touch functionality.

Over-engineering would mean devices are robust, easy to repair and almost never need a repair. Apple is anything but that and their solution is usually to suggest buying a new device or charge you like you are buying a new device. All you need to do is see Louis' video on repeated engineering failures from Apple. Granted it's an old video, but if you watch the video you will see Apple doesn't really improve quality, just reduce price.

[–] wth@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I think their engineering is pretty good, personally. I travelled a lot with a laptop from 2000 to about 2020, and my windows laptops would always die after 2 years - hinges, cracks in the body, screen cracks and so on. Moving to apple’s laptops in about 2011 meant I got 5 years out of each (air then a pro). I’m now on a second pro, but the old pro is still trucking along.

I’m not going to defend all their decisions, there’s a lot of questionable stuff in there (keyboards, sticking to lightening, mice…). But their hardware, both laptop, mini and pro) has been solid.

You are right about repairability. I think that has never been a key feature for them hence the glue, security screws and other crap. Fortunately there are governments around the world that are pushing for repairability, consistency with usb-c, replaceable batteries and more. So I think all manufacturers will be upping their game now, which is awesome.

All manufacturers reduce cost - supply chain management and manufacturability are the processes to drive that. Apple are really good at the supply chain side, that was Tim Cook’s focus as COO. What I don’t like is that they are able to keep their incredibly high margins (far higher than any other manufacturer) thanks to their software, interoperability and walled garden.

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[–] echodot@feddit.uk 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

On repairability of design is not a mistake it's a feature.

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[–] _bug0ut@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

mistakes in design... unrepairability

Who... Who's gonna tell em?

[–] wellnowletssee@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I am quite sure this is a legal issue. If they admit the mistake, probably customers in many countries would be allowed a free replacement or refund. And then shareholders would sue the company because it is mandatory to work on maximising profit.

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[–] MustrumR@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago

Unrepairability isn't a mistake. It's a feature (for Apple).

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[–] InvaderDJ@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is an Apple miss. Their tendency for status equaling heavy materials and lack of obvious options just makes it a no-go for me. Noise cancelling, wireless, over the ear headphones exist for airplanes. Having a headset that is heavy, that doesn’t fold and can’t be turned off (only put to sleep in a dumb bra-like case) don’t meet that mark.

I’m sure they sound great and the magnetic ear cups a good idea, but this is a miss for me. The price is the final nail in the coffin. My Sony XM4s sound nearly as good, can be worn for long flights without fatigue, fold up, and because they’re light but sturdy plastic I’m not worried about them denting or anything like that if I drop them. And I didn’t have to pay over $500 for them.

[–] moonsnotreal@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

And my dollar store earbuds have gone through the wash three times and still work.

[–] riodoro1@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Surely they sound great too. Noise reduction and all

[–] moonsnotreal@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 1 year ago

I mean, of course my earbuds sound like garbage, but the airpod max should not break from sweat lol.

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[–] Tolstoshev@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Apple has done the math and it’s cheaper to deny deny deny than to do the right thing. And that’s factoring in the inevitable class action lawsuit payouts.

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[–] turkalino@lemmy.yachts 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The Max might have more questionable design decisions than any Apple product in history

[–] upsurge@lemmy.world 47 points 1 year ago (31 children)

The Magic Mouse would like a word.

[–] turkalino@lemmy.yachts 20 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Magic Mouse: charging port on bottom

AirPods Max: can’t turn off without putting in case, can’t use wired, condensation death

[–] hansl@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I’m ready for the downvotes but I still don’t understand the general hate for the Magic Mouse. Once every two weeks I let it charge for 30 minutes while I’m having a lunch break and never have to worry about it.

How many times do you happen to need to charge your mouse and use it at the same time?

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[–] wth@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 year ago

And the puck mouse.

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