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TIL most Japanese people eat sushi with their hands (cobosushi.com)
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[–] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca 53 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Also, western "Sushi" is not the same thing as Japanese Sushi.

What Japanese people would consider "normal" Sushi we call Nigiri. These items will make up the majority of consumed items in Japan, where here we would consume primarily rolls.

They do not have these jam packed inside out rolls we see here, the only rolls you'll get in Japan are maki (one or two ingredient, very thin rolls, with the nori on the outside) and you usually only get 2 or 4 pieces at a time for these.

Dammit, now I want to get back to Japan for some good food again.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 15 points 5 months ago (1 children)

USA maybe?

Sushi in France looks like Nagiri (not often having the black belt though :-), inverted makis are called California makis.

IDK just reporting in.

[–] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca -5 points 5 months ago (3 children)

I don't think you're correct, I've eaten sushi in a few European countries and it's all been westernized.

If I type in "Sushi Paris" the top three results all show rolls as the primary item on the plates.

Maybe just the place you go to is more traditional?

[–] mox@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

If I type in “Sushi Paris” the top three results all show rolls as the primary item on the plates.

More than a little selection bias is in play there. You've found restaurants with advertising budgets, which in many places is not representative of restaurants overall. I'd wager the bias is even stronger in big tourist cities.

[–] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca -2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I checked other French cities and got the same results. Care to link me to a casual dining sushi restaurant that doesn't serve rolls in France?

[–] k_rol@lemmy.ca 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

No Just saying that you are incorrect is the way to go even here now.

[–] KredeSeraf@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It is well known that Paris is perfectly representative of all of France.

[–] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca 0 points 5 months ago

"Lyon sushi" returns the same results, a large numbers of rolls.

So does "Montpellier sushi"

[–] KidnappedByKitties@lemm.ee 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

In my European country you'll order sushi as nigiri at any cornershop sushi place.

It's most often sold as a set, where there's typically 4 pieces of some roll with three ingredients and nori on the outside (but variations are not uncommon).

It's quite close to what I've had in Japan. Although fish quality is very different.

[–] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca -2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

If you order nigiri, and get 4 pieces of roll with it, then your still getting something very diferent than you'd see in Japan.

Sushi (nigiri) almost exclusively comes in single or pair units in Japan, and I've never seen them come with rolls (even maki)

[–] KidnappedByKitties@lemm.ee 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I've gotten sets with nigiri and maki in several cities around Japan. I guess my experience and yours differ.

[–] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca -2 points 5 months ago

Clearly they differ, I only lived there twice for a little than a year each time though, so maybe you have more time spent there than me.

[–] mox@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

In my experience, the jam-packed, inside-out, sauce-drenched rolls are characteristic of chain restaurants and shopping districts in the west.

If you're near a big city, chances are there are also small, independent restaurants that make more traditional nigiri, maki, and sashimi. What they serve is what I consider "normal" sushi. It's the only kind I ever seek out.

[–] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca 0 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Normal is not defined as what you seek out, but what's most common in the area.

I can only think of one Nigiri only place, and it's a specialty place in Vancouver in an absolute sea of 600 (this is around the actual number) sushi restaurants across the metro which do serve rolls.

If you go to Osaka, it's the exact opposite, 600 nigiri places to 1 roll place.

[–] mox@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

I was responding mainly to this:

What Japanese people would consider “normal” Sushi we call Nigiri.

The implication that "we" don't consider nigiri to be normal sushi doesn't match my experience at all. Among the people I've dined with, normal sushi is nothing like the "jam packed inside out rolls" you described. In other words, I think you're overgeneralizing.

Normal is not defined as what you seek out, but what’s most common in the area.

That's one sense of the word, sure. And in the areas where I've had sushi, the more traditional style is more common than the stuff you described. (It might be easy to miss, though, especially if you only notice restaurants with significant advertising budgets.)

I mentioned what I seek out not as a definition of "normal", but to demonstrate a response to what was already considered "normal" before I came along. I have rephrased that comment to try to make this more obvious.

[–] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca -4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

"Among the people I've dined with" This is where you're going wrong. You cannot judge "normal" off your own little circle. You may think the word has other meanings, but they do not apply when talking about what's "normal" in terms of food.

Link me three sushi places in your area that do not serve rolls besides maki and don't cost $100 a head, I'll wait.

[–] mox@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

“Among the people I’ve dined with” This is where you’re going wrong.

It is not wrong. It is a counterexample, much like some of the other replies you are receiving.

Link me three sushi places in your area that do not serve rolls besides maki and don’t cost $100 a head, I’ll wait.

I am not going to dox myself to satisfy your quarrelsome self-importance. Good day.

[–] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca -3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Anecdotal data is not data.

You have nothing.

Pick any "western" city and give me three, I don't give a shit where you live.

[–] LwL@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

I have never been to a place that sold sushi and didn't have the option to order just nigiri. Other than the packed sushi at the supermarket.

I'd agree that most people here think of maki when you say sushi, but nigiri is absolutely not considered "not normal" and california rolls are called california rolls and are rarer than maki.

[–] rab@lemmy.ca 1 points 5 months ago

Which restaurant is that?

[–] Snowcano@startrek.website 50 points 5 months ago (1 children)

This is not accurate. Source: been living in Japan for 14+ years. In extremely rare cases (pun unintended but welcome) it’ll happen either at a high class joint (like in Jiro Dreams of Sushi) or in informal drunken situations, but if you come over here and start shoveling nigiri into your gob with your hands in a general restaurant setting, people are going to think you’re simply an idiot.

[–] Akasazh@feddit.nl 12 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

Why is it ok in a high class joint, but not in a general restaurant?

[–] Snowcano@startrek.website 13 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Good question. It’s been a while since I asked someone so forgive me if my memory is a little off, but if I recall the reasoning is that when sushi became big in the Edo era it was eaten by hand because it would fall apart easier. But times change and as techniques got better and you could eat it with chopsticks, that became the more ‘proper’ thing to do. Keep in mind that in izakaya (like a Japanese pub) people will even eat French fries with chopsticks - it’s just the thing to do (again, unless it’s super informal with friends and people are starting to get tipsy and then they may start snacking by hand bc they just can’t be bothered lol).

So I guess the reasoning is that the super high class joints pride themselves on their heritage and the “way it used to be done“ rather than worrying about modern sensibilities.

All that said, the best advice is watch what people around you are doing in a situation and follow their lead. That’ll usually keep you in pretty good graces. :)

[–] Akasazh@feddit.nl 5 points 5 months ago

Ty!

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

Different rules for me than thee.

[–] Umbrias@beehaw.org -5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Imagine caring how someone eats their food at all tbh

[–] RootBeerGuy@discuss.tchncs.de 32 points 5 months ago (3 children)

There is only one definitive Sushi guide. It is this. Yes, it is 8 minutes long. Yes, it is worth it.

[–] Snowcano@startrek.website 2 points 5 months ago

This is legit the funniest video on YT.

[–] randint@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 2 points 5 months ago

I know exactly what this is without even clicking the link.

[–] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 18 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Jesus Christ, who chose the colors for that website?
Black text on brown??

Anyway, I am not really surprised. When I was in middle school we were required to eat burgers with fork and knife. Apparently using hands was "uncivilized". As I never really went with people anywhere, they briefly made me believe this is what most people actually do.
Haven't seen that since.

[–] Noodle07@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

Ah, you've never eaten a burger at a proper restaurant then

[–] RebekahWSD@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I'll eat a burger with a knife and fork sometimes, usually if it's a tall or messy burger!

It isn't considered normal though, if people's mild amused reactions are anything to go by.