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As a new reddit exile, I may be misunderstanding this.

In theory something like a !gaming community could crop up on multiple large instances, especially during the mass exodus while instances are getting hammered with spikes in volume.

If that's the case, we'll have fragmented communities across instances. Is there any way besides subscribing to each of them to combine them into a sort of multi-reddit type aggregation? Or is this considered a temporary (albeit important to adoption) problem during the crazy stages?

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[–] mikehunt@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This will probably take care of itself with time. Not having any "official" ones dictated by some central authority is kind of the whole idea of the fediverse.

[–] sax@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Agreed - this was my initial concern as well but now that I've gotten used to the structure here it doesn't seem like an issue. The whole Digg > Reddit > "New Monolith" wasn't ever going to solve the problem of enshittification, it would just buy us some time, and probably not much at that. This feels a necessary paradigm shift, and the multiple overlapping communities really turns into a failsafe more than an inconvenience.

They all still populate the same on a feed if you're subbed anyway.

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[–] orbit@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

My proposed solution to this issue is a way to group subscribed channels. Like if I sub to x number of Games communities I wish I could drop them all in a folder labeled Games so I could browse all of those posts in one spot.

UI would be like Communities -> Subscribed (All) -> "Individual" folder hierarchy containing w/e you want.

[–] triplenadir@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

in b4 the meta "redundant posts about redundant communities across the fediverse" post 🙃

[–] ritswd@beehaw.org 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I also struggle to see the issue here. People will subscribe to the various communities across instances, and they’ll quit the ones they don’t like, thereby making the best ones rise to the top, just like it works across subreddits of the same topic.

I guess the concern is discoverability? On mobile web, Beehaw’s homepage show “Local” (not sure if just Beehaw or all instance). It’s true that it’d be good if the default was “All”, so discoverability isn’t fragmented.

[–] JohannesOliver@beehaw.org 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

All on the homepage? Strong disagree on that one, I’d rather subscribed was the default. It doesn’t really matter since it is easy to change it.

If I want to discover new things I can click all myself.

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[–] possibleHipster@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

Yeah I this is my biggest problem, and there's always like 30 people saying "it's not a problem, it's a feature!"

Either they are in denial or I'm just completely incompatible with federation.

Why would I want 100 fragmented communities for the exact same thing? If I wanted to consume content from all of them sure, I could follow all 100 but that is so tedious. Plus what if I wanted to interact with them? I'd have to ask the same question 100 times!

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[–] Pspspspspsps@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

I'm just trying to subscribe to as many of the duplicates as I come across for communities I see and like. I suspect eventually some will become the most popular ones and 'win' the unofficial title as the 'main one' if the overall user base continues to grow. Am I right in thinking it also depends on which instances your 'home instance' continues to federate with (IE admins don't block) or have I totally misunderstood and overcomplicated how it works in my mind?

If I'm understanding this whole thing correctly: an instance that your 'home instance' (where you signed up) has federated with might host a larger user base for one community, but if their admins blocks your home instance or vice versa, you lose the ability to interact with that community(?) I would think this means ideally you want your home instance to host the community that 'wins' so you're less likely to lose access, right?

So if hypothetically for whatever reason lemmy.world or lemmy.ml blocked the other, users who signed up on lemmy.world would lose access to the communities hosted on lemmy.ml and vice versa. So duplicates would still pop up if the most popular community is hosted somewhere your home doesn't have access to, right? I'm far less likely to create multiple accounts just to access an unofficial 'main' cat community than I am to just click 'subscribe' on any available sub with the word 'cat' in it.

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[–] DigDoug@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Reddit had similar issues. There were quite often multiple subreddits that were essentially the same thing. Sometimes it was just that multiple people made similar subreddits, sometimes there was one original subreddit that had some sort of schism.

It's just that Reddit had a large enough userbase that two near-identical subreddits could do well enough that one didn't supplant the other.

[–] Debo@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Yeah, but not really. You couldn’t create r/Doug twice. You could create r/Dougs or r/Dougie, but not two r/Doug. Here, you can create a “Doug” for every server that exists.

I have hope for solutions though. There’s only about 8,000 active subreddits in total. The cream will rise to the top quickly and we’ll all get used to subscribing to the ‘top 3 or 4’ “Doug” communities and I’m sure the apps developed for Lemmy will ‘combine’ those behind the scenes for a smoother user experience.

[–] AgentGoldfish@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I’m sure the apps developed for Lemmy will ‘combine’ those behind the scenes for a smoother user experience.

I don't think that's a good idea, it would give the impression of something that is not there. Imagine talking to someone about a post that you just read but that someone else literally can't see because they aren't using the app, so they can't see that instance. Plus, how do you handle communities on instances that have been blocked by some other instances?

A better way would be to have a way to officially merge these communities within ActivityPub. Effectively, have a protocol for cross instance communities, and then the mods of the disparate communities would just have to actively choose to join their communities. It'd be like the reddit sub splitting, but in reverse!

[–] candyman337@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago
[–] Debo@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Look, as long as I don’t have to remember both a community AND a server name, I’m good. I just don’t want to hav to remember and / or subscribe to multiple things with the exact same name.

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[–] nulldev@lemmy.vepta.org 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't think this is a problem. It's the same on reddit where you can have multiple gaming subreddits or multiple news subreddits. Eventually the communities will consolidate.

[–] bnaur@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

But it is a problem even with Reddit.

At least for me many topics that I follow have several related subs and I often end up going through all of them individually to get a good overview and see different takes on news etc. With Reddit having the Other discussions tab helps a lot, but I guess that would be technically more difficult to implement in Lemmy.

IMHO both would benefit from having a way to combine different feeds under user defined categories. How things actually work under the hood wouldn't need to be changed, it would just be an UI feature that effects how the communities are presented to the user.

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[–] ry_@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The first site to figure this out def has the biggest chance of being “the one” right now

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