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[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 440 points 8 months ago (12 children)

No it won't.

240 million grandmas, cheapskate businesses, and cash-strapped public schools will continue to use whatever operating system their computers already have, forever, until they break, security implications be damned.

[–] bitwaba@lemmy.world 78 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] anguo@lemmy.ca 50 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Took this picture a couple of days ago: 1000006180

[–] mods_are_assholes@lemmy.world 31 points 8 months ago (3 children)

JSYK a lot of embedded devices use XP and 7, and some of those manufacturers pay for extended support. The military also pays for extended support for XP

But yeah, most of those devices are not patched and vulnerable AF.

[–] Pra@sh.itjust.works 25 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I always laugh at, after being in the military and a government employee, things being marketed as military grade. So what, it runs on windows server 2003 and hasn't been in production for 20 years?

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[–] kescusay@lemmy.world 33 points 8 months ago (36 children)

This is a huge business opportunity for someone with the know-how. They should offer a consulting service that does the following:

  1. Catalogs the software your company is using.
  2. Identifies which ones have native Linux versions, which ones work well under WINE, and which ones will need to be replaced with either a different native application or an online equivalent.
  3. Installs and configures Linux with a Windows-like UI on your old systems, and gets them set up with the replacement software.

Offer a support contract that severely undercuts anything Microsoft is ~~gouging~~ selling. Offer basic training, too.

Anyone who does that can make bank.

[–] voluble@lemmy.world 39 points 8 months ago (9 children)

Would also need to get a burner phone number w/ answering machine to take calls from 240 million grandmas, cheapskate businesses and cash-strapped public schools for any & all tech support questions until the end of time, because if there was an issue with system stability in any way whatsoever, or if the router went down or the printer stopped working, they'd assume it was the fault of 'the guy who changed everything'.

Linux is great & everything, but this sounds like a recipe for utter disaster, not a way to make an easy buck.

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[–] funchords@lemmy.sdf.org 25 points 8 months ago (2 children)

My 76 y/o spouse loves Linux Mint. The 2017-bought desktop was deemed insufficient for Windows 11 and now runs Mint.

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[–] CraigeryTheKid@lemm.ee 22 points 8 months ago

yeah, other than the obvious "haha-ing in Linux" (which.. I also use Linux) - the REAL answer is people will just keep using the outdated Windows until THAT computer dies it's natural death.

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[–] ClopClopMcFuckwad@lemmy.world 161 points 8 months ago (13 children)

I'm seriously thinking of trying Linux when Windows 11 is forced. My computer has the specs to run it, but I'm just tired of Windows and Microsoft.

[–] ptz@dubvee.org 92 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (19 children)

Unless you run some really niche software or are a heavy gamer, you'll likely have no problems and enjoy it. Most software that you need for daily use has a FOSS equivalent that's equal or better. Usually those are also available straight from the package manager (if not there, then most likely Flatpak).

Just stick with a well supported distro like Fedora, Ubuntu, Debian, or PopOS, and it'll be super easy.

I'm actually looking forward to the perfectly good Linux boxes that are bound to be popping up at yard sales or on ebay once that happens.

[–] EdibleFriend@lemmy.world 51 points 8 months ago (40 children)

a heavy gamer

Why I am still hesitant to make the leap. Not just do I mostly use my PC for gaming but I have a tendency to jump into a new game for like 3 weeks and then off to the next like the horrid ADHD having fuck that I am. I don't want to possibly have to work to make a game work each and every time. I know its gotten a lot better about that but still. Convivence has me trapped yo.

[–] nul9o9@lemmy.world 55 points 8 months ago (4 children)

I was in the same boat. But Valve seriously made it easy to install and play games on Steam. If you have a spare drive, give it a shot.

Things I had to do were to turn on proton in the steam settings and installing vulkan drivers for my AMD card.

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[–] noodlejetski@lemm.ee 23 points 8 months ago

I don’t want to possibly have to work to make a game work each and every time.

as long as it's not a competitive multiplayer, it's more likely than not that it'll work out of the box.

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[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 28 points 8 months ago (9 children)

I suggest Mint for new users (and lazy old users like me). All of the simplicity of Ubuntu, without Canonical's shit

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[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 24 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I’m seriously thinking of trying Linux when Windows 11 is forced.

Sorry for the uncalled advice, but if you're considering it, you might as well try it now. Specially in ways that don't limit your access to Windows, such as live USB and dual boot (Windows and Linux in the same machine, at the same time). So if you do decide "I'm ditching Windows", in the future, you'll have an easier time doing so.

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 149 points 8 months ago (26 children)

Yes, because normal people always throw PCs away when they stop getting security updates.

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[–] Eggyhead@kbin.run 98 points 8 months ago (31 children)

That’s a lot of new Linux computers.

[–] capital@lemmy.world 32 points 8 months ago

I want to believe.

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[–] HexesofVexes@lemmy.world 75 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Once upon a time, updating your hardware every couple of years was essential. Your new hardware was a lot faster for normal use, and everyone benefitted.

Over time, however, people could wait longer between updates, as new hardware didn't impact daily use all that much.

The powers that were grew displeased, and then decided to force people to update more often. Newer hardware had shorter lifespans, software forced newer hardware, software as a service became king.

The End?

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[–] neonred@lemmy.world 74 points 8 months ago
[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 72 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (8 children)

Well you see, they learned their lesson from Windows 7 and having to support it for years longer than they intended to.

They know the same thing will happen for 10, because they are literally forcing a bunch of hardware out, even though all of it can technically run Windows 11 and just don't have a TPM 2.0 chip. They made this choice, this was a business decision and they know it's coming.

So what did they learn? To not give it away for free. Now they're rolling out a program to charge consumers for access to extended updates for Windows 10.[^1]

Back in the Windows 7 days, they only did that for corporations, extended updates with a cost attached. Now you, the consumer, get the joy of paying for these updates as well.

Not only are they purposefully creating trash, they're also squeezing people for money in the process.

They're doing exactly what they did with Windows 7, this time they just plan to charge you for the convenience.

Stay classy, Microsoft.

[^1]: "Individuals or organizations who elect to continue using Windows 10 after support ends on October 14, 2025, will have the option of enrolling their PCs into a paid ESU subscription."

[–] grue@lemmy.world 26 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (6 children)

You forgot the "best" part, which is that requiring TPM 2.0 is purely self-serving for Microsoft in that it serves no purpose but to make it more difficult to run non-Windows OSs on the hardware in the future.

Nobody needs a TPM except for the copyright cartel trying to destroy computer owners' property rights.

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[–] yoz@aussie.zone 61 points 8 months ago (3 children)

I installed linux. I only use browser and vlc and it works great. I am not buying a new machine when old one works just fine.

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 60 points 8 months ago (25 children)

Again, Install Linux, get rid of Microsoft shit.

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[–] mister_monster@monero.town 51 points 8 months ago

For us Linux users it's just a fire sale. Diet cheap PCs incoming.

[–] RedditWanderer@lemmy.world 45 points 8 months ago (9 children)

None of these PCs need to go to landfill. Linux

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[–] TheObviousSolution@lemm.ee 44 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Sounds to me like an opportunity for Linux and Linux derivatives.

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[–] Obonga@feddit.de 42 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Windows 11 can suck my stinky cock. Windows will successfully force my LAZY ass to Linux. I am already testing the waters with my laptop.

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[–] Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 39 points 8 months ago

Hello, it's me, a landfill

Those systems are going to be dirt cheap Linux boxes in the very near future

Or at least a couple will be for me

[–] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 39 points 8 months ago (13 children)

Or folks will just continue to use 10.

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[–] LockheedTheDragon@lemmy.world 38 points 8 months ago (25 children)

I've been saying for years I was going to move back over to Linux. This will be the push I need. Sadly my Dad is bad at computers and will need Windows 11 when using 10 becomes a problem. I'm throwing this at my brother since I was the one who got our Dad a Windows 10 computer. FU Microsoft, you peaked at XP.

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[–] RedditEnjoyer@lemmy.world 38 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

Cool, a prime opportunity to scalp even more old machines by the end of the decade once they become valuable.

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[–] Infynis@midwest.social 35 points 8 months ago (22 children)
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[–] BrownianMotion@lemmy.world 33 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (13 children)

The only people that will really suffer from this is businesses. They will have to buy W11, and they will need to get supported hardware. However, businesses usually have rolling upgrades in place in the IT and have probably rolled out many already.

As for home users, with each newer generation, they become more tech savy. I can tell you now, this won't affect as many people as you imagine.

  • 1: W11 is free to download from M$. You can choose whether or not to buy a licence. W11 cracks already exist, M$ is still using key management services, so something like KMSpico still work. There are also tons of activator scripts on github (lol, since M$ owns this!).
  • 2: Grab a copy of RUFUS. Use it to take the W11 image and remove all restrictions, and dump it to USB.
  • 3: ???
  • 4: Profit.

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[–] redcalcium@lemmy.institute 32 points 8 months ago (18 children)

A fraction of those "old" computers will use Linux. Perhaps we'll reach 5% desktop market share soon thanks to Microsoft.

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[–] mvirts@lemmy.world 32 points 8 months ago

yay i can finally get a good laptop on ebay in 2025! 😹

[–] TheOneWithTheHair@lemmy.world 32 points 8 months ago (1 children)

"Windows 7 appears to still be running on at least 100 million machines, despite Microsoft ending support for the operating system a year ago"

--Tom Warren. Jan 6, 2021.

https://www.theverge.com/2021/1/6/22217052/microsoft-windows-7-109-million-pcs-usage-stats-analytics

Maybe the landfill won't be overstuffed as quickly as expected.

See also

"Monthly market share held by Windows operating system for desktop PCs worldwide from January 2017 to November 2023, by version" https://www.statista.com/statistics/993868/worldwide-windows-operating-system-market-share/

It's a dwindling effect, not just instant abandonment.

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[–] 3volver@lemmy.world 31 points 8 months ago (5 children)

More people will switch to Linux once and for all.

[–] max@feddit.nl 52 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Techies? Probably. Your average user? They will keep using windows 10. Just like they’ve been using XP, Vista, and 8(.1) wayyyyy past EoL.

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[–] wowwoweowza@lemmy.ml 30 points 8 months ago (3 children)

The great LINUX uprising of 2025!!!

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[–] Jennykichu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 30 points 8 months ago (9 children)

Meanwhile Apple does this every few years and nobody cares.

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[–] Clbull@lemmy.world 28 points 8 months ago (16 children)

Launching Windows 11 in the midst of a semiconductor shortage was such a dumb move on Microsoft's part, especially when 11 doesn't really offer that much more than 10. The only real 'groundbreaking' new feature (multiple desktops) was something that Linux had fifteen years ago.

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[–] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 28 points 8 months ago (6 children)

I'm getting super tired of Microsofts OS as a service. There is absolutely no reason to make operating systems obsolete.

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[–] AeonFelis@lemmy.world 27 points 8 months ago (7 children)

So 2025 will finally be the year of the Linux desktop?

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[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 8 months ago (2 children)

This is such an old article at this point. PCs don't get sent to the landfill because the OS isn't supported anymore. That's idiotic.

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[–] kinther@lemmy.world 24 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I built a new PC last year and bought a copy of Windows 11. Holy moly the login process required so much bullshit that I skipped through. It also every few days tries to get me to go through it again. After learning about all the Spyware and other bullshit I decided to just take the plunge back into using Linux as a main OS.

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[–] Halcyon@discuss.tchncs.de 22 points 8 months ago (2 children)

This isn't a problem if you're still using Windows 7! ;-)

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