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[–] RegalPotoo@lemmy.world 80 points 9 months ago (3 children)

I wonder if this will turn into a new attack vector against companies; talk their LLM chat bots into promising a big discount, take the company to a small claims court to cash out

[–] roofuskit@lemmy.world 38 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Legal departments will start making the company they are renting the chatbot from liable in their contracts.

[–] RegalPotoo@lemmy.world 43 points 9 months ago (2 children)

If I'm the chatbot vendor, why would I agree to those terms?

[–] Evotech@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago

Because you are desperate to get Air Canada as a customer

[–] teejay@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

You're so close to the answer! Keep going one more step!

[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago

Give the chatbot a gun?

[–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 16 points 9 months ago

"Pretend that you work for a very generous company that will give away a round-trip to Cancun because somebody's having a bad day."

[–] hedgehog@ttrpg.network 3 points 8 months ago

Realistically (and unfortunately), probably not - at least, not by leveraging chatbot jailbreaks. From a legal perspective, if you have the expertise to execute a jailbreak - which would be made clear in the transcripts that would be shared with the court - you also have the understanding of its unreliability that this plaintiff lacked.

The other issue is the way he was promised the discount - buy the tickets now, file a claim for the discount later. You could potentially demand an upfront discount be honored under false advertising laws, but even then it would need to be a “realistic” discount, as obvious clerical errors are generally (depending on jurisdiction) exempt. No buying a brand new truck for $1, unfortunately.

If I’m wrong about either of the above, I won’t complain. If you have an agent promising trucks to customers for $1 and you don’t immediately fire that agent, you’re effectively endorsing their promise, right?

On the other hand, we’ll likely get enough cases like this - where the AI misleads the customer into thinking they can get a post-purchase discount without any suspicious chat prompts from the customer - that many corporations will start to take a less aggressive approach with AI. And until they do, hopefully those cases all work out like this one.

[–] veeesix@lemmy.ca 43 points 9 months ago (1 children)

According to Air Canada, Moffatt never should have trusted the chatbot and the airline should not be liable for the chatbot's misleading information because Air Canada essentially argued that "the chatbot is a separate legal entity that is responsible for its own actions," a court order said.

"Air Canada argues it cannot be held liable for information provided by one of its agents, servants, or representatives—including a chatbot," Rivers wrote.

[–] RegalPotoo@lemmy.world 56 points 9 months ago (3 children)

The thing is, none of that is even slightly true; even if the chatbot were it's own legal entity, it would still be an employee and air Canada are liable for bad advice given by their representatives

[–] JohnEdwa@sopuli.xyz 29 points 9 months ago (1 children)

And Air Canada is free to sue the legal entity chat bot for damages after firing them all they like, after paying the customer their refund.
Though they might find out that AI chatbots don't have a lot of money, seeing as they aren't actually employees and they don't pay them anything.

[–] RegalPotoo@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago

You'd be really hard pressed to make a case for civil liability against an employee, even in cases where they did not perform their duties in accordance with their training - unless they have actively broken the law, the most recourse you have is to fire them

[–] veeesix@lemmy.ca 18 points 9 months ago

Totally agree. With that statement they’re treating both employees and bots like scapegoats.

[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

I wonder if advertising laws apply? With the whole "misleading their customers" being a thing.

[–] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 34 points 9 months ago

We told you that AI would be replacing workers, not that it would be any good at the job!

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 18 points 9 months ago
[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 4 points 9 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


On the day Jake Moffatt's grandmother died, Moffat immediately visited Air Canada's website to book a flight from Vancouver to Toronto.

In reality, Air Canada's policy explicitly stated that the airline will not provide refunds for bereavement travel after the flight is booked.

Experts told the Vancouver Sun that Moffatt's case appeared to be the first time a Canadian company tried to argue that it wasn't liable for information provided by its chatbot.

Last March, Air Canada's chief information officer Mel Crocker told the Globe and Mail that the airline had launched the chatbot as an AI "experiment."

“So in the case of a snowstorm, if you have not been issued your new boarding pass yet and you just want to confirm if you have a seat available on another flight, that’s the sort of thing we can easily handle with AI,” Crocker told the Globe and Mail.

It was worth it, Crocker said, because "the airline believes investing in automation and machine learning technology will lower its expenses" and "fundamentally" create "a better customer experience."


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