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The way I see it that instinct is the cause behind so much suffering and injustice in the world.

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[–] MaShinKotoKai@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

The news feeding propaganda over and over isn't helping.

[–] nieceandtows@programming.dev 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

One thing I read in Sapiens that has stuck with me is that a natural group/tribe size is only 40 or so. Anything above that needs a common belief/god or a common enemy. God/religion served that purpose for a long while, then philosophies like communism/capitalism/marxism/liberalism/conservatism, etc. took over. Hitler/nazism is an example of a common enemy uniting people. More recently, and more relatable, you can see how lemmy itself grew exponentially because of the common enemy reddit. All this to say, tribalistic behavior can never be overcome as far as homo sapiens are concerned, because that is what defines us as a species.

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[–] Telorand@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This current version of humans? No. But could it ever happen? Absolutely, if we assume our future evolutionary human descendants survive and provided we can supply everyone's needs.

[–] A_A@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Yes ...and the name will have to change from Homo sapiens to something else.

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[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's a good question. I think it's been shown it's in our DNA to have a tribe that we associate with, and anything outside that tribe is a threat. Used to be a literal tribe, now I think it's mostly based on race. Can this be overcome with education? Unfortunately I'm really not sure.

[–] Platform27@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago

No. There will always be another “them”. That’s what makes humans so great, but also so destructive. We never settle, and will always look for division, even if we need to create it.

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net -1 points 1 year ago

Not unless the fundamentals of human psychology change. Forever is a long time to say that won’t happen but certainly not in the foreseeable future.

That doesn’t mean it can’t be worked on or mitigated. But it’s not going away completely.

[–] faintedheart@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As long as politicians exists no. People need something to have control on group of people. So this exists for long. Hope it gets over when robots take over.

[–] imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No. That is human nature. In order to overcome that, we would have to evolve into a different species, which I would argue is less appealing than it might sound on the surface.

Instead of trying to overcome it, it makes more sense to build a society that directs that energy in a positive direction.

[–] realcaseyrollins@kbin.projectsegfau.lt 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Maybe a solution could be getting rid of some tribes entirely, so that we're not so divided? We can still have tribes, but we really don't need this many of them

[–] imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Are you from the future? It says this will be posted in 2 hours. Am I from the future??

Seriously though I think your admin can fix that, I've seen similar things before and it may be a configuration issue.

I'll just assume you're not talking about the people themselves, but rather the institutions that funnel people into modern day tribes. And in that case, I would agree with you, currently people are getting funneled into extremely niche groups that are inherently going to come into conflict. It might be necessary to reduce the granularity of human communities in order to arrive at a more cohesive whole. And doing that would not necessarily involve violence, but rather shutting down many of the commercial influences that create certain mindsets and desires in people that they wouldn't otherwise have.

[–] Nutteman@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Uhhh are you calling for genny cide ride now my man?

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