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I'm really enjoying lemmy. I think we've got some growing pains in UI/UX and we're missing some key features (like community migration and actual redundancy). But how are we going to collectively pay for this? I saw an (unverified) post that Reddit received 400M dollars from ads last year. Lemmy isn't going to be free. Can someone with actual server experience chime in with some back of the napkin math on how expensive it would be if everyone migrated from Reddit?

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[โ€“] howdy@thesimplecorner.org 2 points 1 year ago

I'm running a barebones server for myself and a few communities (not many subs yet) which will run for less than a Starbucks coffee a month... (Assuming I don't need more storage space... Lemmy seems pretty light. The main servers are gonna carry the load unfortunately... Beehaw.org had a transparency post about financials as of about a week ago they said something that their instance was costing like 50-75ish a month of I recall.

[โ€“] seaduck@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I suspect reddit's reported uprofitablity isn't due to the cost of hosting, but from blowing money in other ways.

[โ€“] luckystarr@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Put up a yearly donation drive (like Wikipedia) but unlike Wikipedia do:

  1. a competition between the various instances, on which collects the most donations
  2. not shift the page content when displaying the donation banner!

Ideally the donations will be handled through a non-profit org dedicated to this particular purpose. If the donation level is high enough, developers can be hired to further improve the source code. Currently the funds are managed through OpenCollective, but with enough growth this may not be feasible any longer.

This will most likely lead to heated debates as this will build a somewhat centralized organization, which necessarily comes with power concentration.

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[โ€“] pistachio@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

As paradoxical as it is, I think that these open source non-profit projects are a lot more efficient than profit-driven, debt-fueled corporations.

First of all, the main contributors to a FOSS project do it for passion and do not take a salary.

Secondly, they don't have the infinite growth mindset that pushes enterpreneurs to to spend as much as possible for maximum growth, all financed by a growing amount of investors (and debt, which costs interest fees).

If a FOSS project reaches maximum capacity, they will close subscriptions, they will throttle traffic, i.e. they will slow down growth, but they will not go into debt. Slowing down growth is something that a for-profit company would never do (at least until the interest rates were low and the investors were plenty, today idk). Eventually someone else in the community will decide to do a generous donation or open their own instance.

It's literally all donated

[โ€“] linuxduck@nerdly.dev 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I bought a server for about 100 a year... With my whopping 2 users... It's overkill... So... My comment is a wasted way of saying idunno

[โ€“] V4uban@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

You can always have paid-access Lemmy servers

[โ€“] fratermus@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

edit: misposted comment - see bizarre explanation below (and it's not just me)

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  • alias - excellent theme music
  • bojack horseman
[โ€“] michael@possumpat.io 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[โ€“] scharf_2x40@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[โ€“] fratermus@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Not lost, the interface loaded a comment I had written elsewhere into this thread, which I didn't even have open and wasn't reading. When I reloaded the page to try to stop the post it showed the original thread I intended to post to. I had to manually open this thread to see where it posted.

[โ€“] fratermus@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I composed that comment in another thread, tabbed away, and when I tabbed back the pending comment was pasted into this thread that I wasn't even reading. Hit POST before I noticed it. 2nd time that's happened this morning.

[โ€“] Sharpiemarker@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago

You know you can delete comments right?

[โ€“] pproe@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I know that it is not a popular topic in 2023 but a blockchain currency that allows users to 'award' posts/comments (similar to tipping in /r/dogecoin days) could provide instance owners with a source of income by taking a small portion of tips on their server.

Such a system would likely scale alongside user activity (read server load) and would encourage higher quality content. Would love to hear peoples thoughts on this.

Honestly I would hate that, but if that's what keeps the lights on then I'll deal with it. I would prefer to move to an anonymous donation model like Wikipedia but I'm skeptical that will work.

[โ€“] Sekoia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why would it have to be blockchain? Plus like the other commenter said, that provides incentive to bot comments and such. Donation based stuff works fine.

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[โ€“] octet33@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The thing is, Lemmy is decentralized. You don't need to have an account on an instance (server) to use that instance's "subreddits" (communities) - instances communicate their activity to each other automatically, so any instance will do (provided the instances haven't banned each other). It's just like email.

So it's pretty simple to just stop accepting sign-ups once an instance starts to become impractically large. Anyone can start an instance for just the cost of a domain ($10ish/year, or free if it's a subdomain of an existing website) and a server (that random computer you already have lying around will do just fine, for free). And a small instance can do fine on just donations and the good will of the operator.

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[โ€“] Lemon_Man@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

sell checkmarks like Tumbler.

for x$ a month get a checkmark next to your name on posts. in whatever colours you pay for. buy checkmarks for others.

[โ€“] Debs@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

What would the checkmark mean?

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