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Fundamental questions arise on whether we truly require privacy. One might question the necessity of privacy, thinking, “Why would someone like me need to hide something? Am I a criminal or a celebrity?”. However, there are genuine reasons why anyone should be entitled to confidentiality, regardless of their status. Privacy is a fundamental right and a matter of personal liberty. As privacy activists assert, it’s about ”liberty versus control”. Liberty requires security without intrusion, security plus privacy.

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[–] alnilam@lemmy.world 46 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I really don't like to use the word "hide" in this case, as it does imply something bad is going on. I have plenty to protect against misuse, and one of the easiest forms of protection is not making things public.

It's not because I can't be trusted, it's because so many others can't be trusted with my data.

[–] crossover@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The “nothing to hide” term has always felt weird to me. It implies you are doing something wrong, which assumes the person wanting to look is right.

I prefer “It’s dangerous to be right when the government is wrong” instead.

Not to mention, I prefer to not be part of the post-sale monetization revenue stream. Or be constantly bombarded by ads. Or to have my PII or other sensitive information leaked all over the place because basically all companies are absolute shit at infosec at some point in time, in one way or another.

[–] DRS_GME@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

Yeah, you can literally type in anyone's email address and find a good 2-5 passwords they've used. Nothing on the internet is safe or ever will be, unfortunately. Almost every single huge corporation has lost tons of data on its users, which can lead anyone to figure out way more information than they should about someone.

[–] PenguinMage@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

"Nothing to hide" is a lovely line the police like. I have nothing I need to show you!

[–] Anemia@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

It's such a frustrating argument as well. People have many different reasons not to want to share portions of themselves (their data) with others (the state/ISP/etc). I fail to see how "i have nothing to hide" could fight of all the possible reasons to want privacy, if you have nothing to hide then I assume you have no intimate communication with a partner/similar that you wouldn't mind sharing with the world. I just listed some of the main intrinsic and instrumental reasons to want privacy but I imagine that there are many more.

Intrinsic reasons to want privacy (all of these can also to the future, you may not have a stalker today but what about tomorrow?)

  • Fear of current state prosecution
  • Not wanting non intended people to see your private content
  • Fear of stalkers/personal enemies/scammers
  • Fear of attacks by some group
  • Fear of reduction/removal of services by some company or service provider
  • Fear of stigmatisation based on unpopular opinions

Instrumental reasons to want privacy (the future is also applicable to these, next election cycle maybe your government decides to change the company handling all your health related documents)

  • Not trusting state/service provider to keep your data safe
  • Not trusting state/service provider to not sell or otherwise share your data with other parties
[–] DRS_GME@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago

There was a video I watched awhile back, where someone mentions we all have something to hide or a reason for privacy. He goes on to say we have locks not only on our front and back doors but on our bedrooms and bathrooms too. My favorite thing from that was him talking to someone who says, "I have nothing to hide, I don't commit any crime." and his reply is, ok, write down all of your email addresses and passwords, so I can scroll through anything I want and read them. There's a disgusting amount of data that's being siphoned off of the general public, on a daily basis, and we should have better privacy laws. Take for instance the dad that learned his daughter was pregnant before she told him, because target's algos were feeding him baby formula and diaper ads.

[–] gapbetweenus@feddit.de 4 points 1 year ago

It's a fundamental right to decide which information to share with whom, not lastly because information might make you vulnerable and give someone power over you. Trust is an extremely important concept, fundamental to society.

[–] essteeyou@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If you've got nothing to hide then just upload some naked pictures of yourself... Oh, now you want privacy?

[–] dovydash@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago

Sounds like the "Bike Fall Meme". Don't upload things if you don't want others to see them ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[–] AliceTheMinotaur@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Why you need know, you some sort pf pervert

[–] jonas@fedilemmy.net 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This tool shows pretty well how the system works Toolness

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