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I found an old notebook PC lying around and I'm wondering if it could be enough to run a few services like the arr suite, qbittorrent and pi-hole.

Here's a few specs: Cpu : Intel Celeron 1011 1.6ghz Ram : 1Gig Ethernet port

If you think it's not a total waste of time, what distro would you install?

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[–] Moonrise2473@feddit.it 34 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

I tried with a Celeron 1 GHz. It was slower than a rpi and it sucked 65 watts at idle πŸ™ˆ

But at least can give some experience, I prefer playing the sysadmin with real hardware than a VM

[–] Leax@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

That's good to know ha ha! At least I can have some fun before investing further...

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

It is 100% a great idea to see how you feel about the concept of self-hosting with an old machine. If it’s really old (and I’m talking like anything from before about 2008-2010), perhaps consider snagging an old β€œtiny”/1L-class box from eBay for cheap. Dell, HP, and Lenovo units can be found for WAY under $100 all the time, and slightly more modern units can still be had at a reasonable price, depending on the model. They’re great platforms to play around with. Just shove a cheap SSD in there and play with it.

Source: an old m920q with an i5-8500T is running pfSense for my home network

[–] Leax@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 10 months ago

Thanks. I might simply go for the raspberry pi solution as well.

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[–] StrawberryPigtails@lemmy.sdf.org 26 points 10 months ago (2 children)

It’s doable but you should treat it more as a learning opportunity than a production system. Honestly, that’s old enough that a RPi might be able to run circle around it.

The Celeron 1011 is a 32bit processor, so Debian or Gentoo may be the only distributions that still support it and you will probably have to compile from source anything you want to run. A gig of ram was good for its time.

The Linux Unplugged crew from Jupiter Broadcasting are currently doing a 32bit challenge to see if such systems are still usable for day to day usage. It’s going to be interesting.

[–] I_Miss_Daniel@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

If you get tired of that, you can probably turn it into a virtual fish tank and Johnny Castaway machine. (1GHz atom, 1gb RAM, XP)

[–] asbestos@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I’m sorry but why would you do this

[–] I_Miss_Daniel@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

Novelty only.

Keeping real fish is tedious and time consuming.

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[–] NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I wouldn't dare to charge that old battery up. Some of them can start a fire.

[–] Leax@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 10 months ago

Thanks, it's removable

[–] Contort3860@links.hackliberty.org 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I've got Pi-hole and Syncthing running on an old netbook with an Atom CPU and 2 GB RAM. It's doing fine. Syncthing killed the little dual-core CPU while it was syncing all of the stuff I wanted, but now it idles along quietly on Debian. I doubt you're going to get much out of the machine, but it's perfectly fine for small, simple stuff like Pi-hole.

Distro-wise, I'd say Debian or similar if you want to set-and-forget (update once a week or month) or Arch/openSUSE Tumbleweed if you want it up-to-date (potentially more work needed).

Considering the hardware I'd also recommend whichever distro you go with without a GUI to keep the resource usage as low as possible.

[–] Leax@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 10 months ago

Thanks, very helpful !

[–] huginn@feddit.it 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You'll probably save money in the long run using a pi.

[–] kSPvhmTOlwvMd7Y7E@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)
[–] joenforcer@midwest.social 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Your math is wrong. If the Celeron runs 65W at idle then it is consuming at minimum 1.56kWh a day, at a price of €0.20 per kWh you're looking at a minimum operating cost of €113.88 a year.

You didn't factor in that days have 24 hours, not one hour.

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[–] huginn@feddit.it 2 points 10 months ago

11 years? Nevermind use the laptop for sure haha

[–] Ookami38@sh.itjust.works 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Worst case, give it a go, learn the process even if it can't handle it, and you'll be able to do it easier when you have a capable machine.

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[–] Decipher0771@lemmy.ca 5 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Go for a vintage correct OS for a challenge, try Haiku!

[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

Hey, Haiku is a "modern" OS too :)

Hannah Montana Linux

[–] AtariDump@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] Contort3860@links.hackliberty.org 3 points 10 months ago (2 children)

What advantages would this give over plain Debian or similar? I'm a total noob, so I'd love something that might help me get a little more out of my little netbook 'server'.

[–] AtariDump@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Check out their website; it’ll do a better job of explaining than I can/will.

https://dietpi.com/

[–] Contort3860@links.hackliberty.org 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Thanks, I'll check it out.

[–] wolfshadowheart@slrpnk.net 3 points 10 months ago

It's a great OS. Ran it for a long time

[–] SwissOS@sh.itjust.works 3 points 10 months ago (3 children)

dietPi is in fact Debian, with extra scripts to install/remove software. They also thinned it way down, so you get a working system with the bare essentials.

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[–] Cyber@feddit.uk 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Be aware that some old laptops had weird combined chipsets that Linux just can't use... I tried putting Linux Mint on a friend's laptop for their kids to use and the networking (wifi and cable) just wouldn't work... it was something that only Win98 / WinXP could use (from memory).

So just try anything in case you just need to ditch it - as someone else mentioned, treat it as a learning exercise.

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[–] bruhduh@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Upgrade ram to the max and set zram and everything will be good to go

[–] accidentalloris@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

I started out self hosting on a laptop maybe a little newer than yours. Pentium, 2gb RAM. I'm happier with my pi, but it's more than enough to get started on. Pretty sure pi-hole will run no problem, the others my struggle a little bit depending on your disk speed.

Your cpu will be a pretty limiting factor, but upgrading the RAM and putting in an SSD could boost the performance quite a bit.

[–] SRo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 10 months ago
[–] loganb@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

It depends on the size of your budget (if it exists at all). Your probably better off doing some e-waste dumpster diving. Shoot for something with a 3rd gen i3 / i5 or newer and at least 4gb of RAM.

That generation is when Intel added MPEG hardware encoder so it opens up a lot of options for self-hosting media servers.

[–] jelloeater85@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I would look into buying a mini PC and throwing a hypervisor on it.

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[–] lnxtx@feddit.nl 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Alpine. But you are very low on the RAM. I will buy more RAM if I can (DDR2(?)).

[–] crunchpaste@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 10 months ago

+1 I'm surprised nobody else mentioned it. Alpine seems to be able to run on anything.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 months ago

you can probably even host your firewall in it

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 4 points 10 months ago

Maybe. You limiting factor is going to be power and thermals. I started on a broken laptop and moved to a minipc when I first started.

[–] lemmyvore@feddit.nl 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

I don't know about the whole 'arr suite but one BT client and PiHole should not be a problem. Provided you don't seed hundreds of torrents, but even that may work out ok-ish depending on the BT client – some of them like Transmission or rTorrent are more efficient than qBitTorrent or Deluge.

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[–] shalva97@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

It sounds too slow. Save yourself time and sanity.

[–] foggy@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Puppy Linux!

Xubuntu, Lubuntu, Gentoo, Peppermint...

Some others like damn small linux or nano Linux or Linux lite.

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I self host using Debian on a 2010 macbook pro with a core 2 duo in it. It works well.

[–] Lazz45@sh.itjust.works 3 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I run some of my services (until very recently including jellyfin) on my HP pavilion G6 from 2007. It still runs my wireguard, backup pihole, heimdall, etc. I run it on Linux mint (it was familiar) and cant do most things on screen (lags hard) but I can ssh or VNC in just fine

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I tried this recently with a 10 year old laptop. Much better specs than that. 6GB RAM, ran W10 incredibly slowly due to HDD.

I couldn't even boot the Ubuntu USB installer.

[–] hayalci@fstab.sh 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

6GB is more than enough for many desktop environments. Plus, a server wouldn't have any anyway. not booting the Ubuntu installer seems like a bug, or other non-resource problem. if you try with a newer installer, or some other distro, that computer can host many things.

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[–] juli@programming.dev 2 points 10 months ago

Any distro. Energy consumption may be higher. Apart from that all good (I guess)

[–] Leax@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Edit: I did manage to install Puppy Linux onto it, but I was severely limited by the CPU which is 32bits. I'm trying another old laptop next! Thanks everyone!

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