Look, it doesn’t matter what you want the movement to be about or what you think TERFs are. The reality is that TERF isn’t a self-given label, radical feminist isn’t a self-given label, and more than a few notable individuals in the feminist movement (a movement that, at its core, is about womens’ rights) are misandrist. This is a reality that, no matter how much you pretend is fake, is still real.

And if feminists spend more time denying this reality than actively changing it, the movement itself won’t change, nor will its general perception.

[–] AnyOldName3@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Plenty of people call North Korea the DPRK as that's it's official name, despite being well aware that it's undemocratic, not a republic not for the people, and only of half of Korea, even in the same sentence as condemning it for not being the things it claims to be. What you're saying is effectively equivalent to saying anyone in favour of democracy is evil on the grounds that North Korea labels itself as democratic, and is a bad place.

[–] Dark_Blade@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Except the DPRK is a self-given name of an out-and-out fascist country, not a name given to it by other democracies for still standing by the essentials of democratic republics. This is unlike TERFs, where they’re still considered feminists (hence the name) since they still stand by the essentials of the movement (ie more rights for women).

[–] pine@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Terf is their self identified label. I think "feminism appropriating reactionary transphobes" is a more accurate label.

[–] Dark_Blade@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

TERF isn’t a self-identification label though, it was given to them.

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