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I mean it doesn't change the fact that Soviet Union did make a deal with the Nazis and split Europe between them. Nobody is doubting that there was a reason for doing it.
It totally does change it. Making a non-aggression pact with the biggest military in the world just sounds like a rational move.
I think you misunderstood. It doesn't change the fact that such a pact happened and that they did divide Europe between them in it. It's opinion on how justified such a thing where those arguments matter.
Giving facts without appropriate context IS manipulation.
Stalin certainly wasn't stupid enough to genuinely ally with the nazis and did took pragmatic decision after he was turned away by the ally, who hated communism as much as hitler.
That was the preceding discussion. Someone seemed to be denying it happening at all. Someone came in with a justification for the action, I was just saying that it doesn't change the fact of it happening, just the justification over it. For further clarification, I'm against the denialism. I'm not saying it wasn't a pragmatic decision, even if morally dubious.
Not seemingly, they're saying it directly.
I wanted to give them the benefit of the doubt since their tone seemed to be changing a bit during the discussion, but it turned out it was just the old "that didn't happen and even if it did" thing.
Yeah they're a propaganda bot or an absolutely absurd human being.
Communists and Nazis making a deal is understandably a bit sore part for someone supporting either. I can't imagine the whiplash people had at the time.