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As a reminder, ClubsAll is still showing all of Lemmy's content without federating back (clubsall.com)
submitted 1 week ago by Blaze@feddit.org to c/fediverse@lemmy.world
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A post from 2 months ago which explained the context: https://lemmy.world/post/20694710

I just had a look, nothing has changed, the website is still using Lemmy's content to pretend to be active

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[–] Blaze@feddit.org 4 points 5 days ago (8 children)

One request, whenever you post about clubsall, can you please tag me so I can also participate? Thank you.

Sure, I'll make sure to keep you tagged. I was not sure you were using your Lemmy account, so that's why I did not tag you in this post.

as long as there is not meaningful traffic, it should be ok

You are channeling the traffic from 44k monthly active users to your website without giving credit to the instances where the content is created.

I just checked, the homepage of Clubsall shows content from !196@lemmy.blahaj.zone, while lemmy.blahaj.zone have you defederated: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/instances, as "clubsall.com" is in the blocked instances.

But if we look at the linked instances, there is now "api.clubsall.com" and "clubsall-api4.renchesterjramos.workers.dev"

@ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone FYI

If we block all new sites on hunch or rules as we make up, it will kill anyone trying to do something new.

Everyone here is trying to make a new platform. Every Lemmy server, as well as Mbin or Piefed, federate content both ways, and allow to go to the original posts from the federated copies.

In the meantime, can we have a discussion about a set of rules for clarification and fairness?

Every admin make their own rules. Feel free to convince them, a few of them are in this thread.

[–] vinay_clubsall@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago (7 children)

I just checked, the homepage of Clubsall shows content from !196@lemmy.blahaj.zone, while lemmy.blahaj.zone have you defederated: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/instances, as “clubsall.com” is in the blocked instances. But if we look at the linked instances, there is now “api.clubsall.com” and “clubsall-api4.renchesterjramos.workers.dev”

This is because federation is fairly complex and we are new to this and do not fully understand. I really do not know why we are getting content from lemmy.blahaj.zone when they have blocked us. The content is coming from federation, so how is it being pushed to clubsall after blocking?

You are channeling the traffic from 44k monthly active users to your website without giving credit to the instances where the content is created. In our last discussion, you said "your site is small, so people just ignore it. Should it become more active, then users are probably going to call their admins to defederate." ClubsAll has not grown. This time you are saying we are not attributing. It seems even you change mind on to what is fair.

My request stays the same, give us some breathing room until some traffic threshold. Is that fair?

[–] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 5 days ago (6 children)

The content is coming from federation, so how is it being pushed to clubsall after blocking?

I blocked your instance based on your domain. But because you are using other domains to pull the content, you're still receiving content from the domains you use that I haven't blocked.

My request stays the same, give us some breathing room until some traffic threshold. Is that fair?

What is your plan for what clubsall will look like? I have no interest in killing a new and interesting platform for building community in the lemmy space. But if you're just going to pull content from lemmy instances without giving anything back, that's not building community...

Tell me you've got plans for something other than a content scraper, and I'll happily work with you.

[–] vinay_clubsall@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Thank you for responding. Here are my plans

  1. After some discussion with another fediverse developer, he recommended we move to sublinks library. I posted our tech plans here https://lemmy.world/comment/12922172. This will achieve a number of things - move db to postgres, deployment to docker/k8s, enable lemmy clients, make some security changes so our passwords are not exposed, this in turn will enable open sourcing and self hosting. This seems the best path forward.
  2. We almost completed the move when we found out that sublinks library itself does not have federation implemented. I was told it will be picked up in 2025 but it is also being developer by volunteers, so the timeline is not certain. Since we almost finished move to sublinks, as soon as they have federation, we should be able to move very quickly since work on our side is mostly done.

There is almost no traffic today, users are not missing out on any content. Since the timelines are not in my hands, my ask is for admins to give me benefit of doubt and be patient until I wait for sublinks federation implementation (or if clubsall have traffic in which case, users will be missing out on content. In that case, I will have to think of something else)

  1. In the long run, idea is to have an simplified fediverse frontend that can realistically be a real open alternative to reddit.

Feel free to ask me anything else.

[–] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Thank you for the update. I honestly don't mind if you're not there in terms of federating out yet. As long as the plan for the project is to generate connectivity/community in some way, we'll be better off for your project being here :)

[–] vinay_clubsall@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

Thank you for your support. We will get there.

[–] Blaze@feddit.org 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

sublinks library.

Do you mean this? https://github.com/sublinks

There is almost no traffic today, users are not missing out on any content.

If there is almost no traffic today, why do you complain about being defederated?

[–] vinay_clubsall@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I mean this library https://github.com/sublinks/sublinks-api

We have a handful of users. Their comments are being federated. They are not making any posts (because without federation there are no replies). Defederation will mean users cannot even comment and will have to abandon ClubsAll. A site being abandoned at this early stage usually means death of site, which I would like to avoid if possible.

[–] Blaze@feddit.org 2 points 4 days ago

https://github.com/sublinks/sublinks-api

Are you aware that most of the activity on Sublinks has stopped, with 1 change in November, and the other most recent ones from October? https://github.com/sublinks/sublinks-api/activity

As I mentioned in another comment, why did you not fork a project like https://codeberg.org/rimu/pyfedi which is still being actively developed?

We have a handful of users.

How many do you have at this moment? 10, 25, 50?

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