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[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 139 points 6 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (24 children)

Here's a list of a few .ml communities and potential replacements:

Side note the main issue with .ml is transparency. It's fine if the admins of an instance implement whatever rules they want in their instance; however, once they start enforcing hidden rules disguised as violations of the listed rules, they're being liars and treating the users as stupid things to be herded, not as human beings.

EDIT: as people noticed I'm not including .world comms to not encourage even further concentration of activity into the largest instance. Decentralisation is important. Also I'm adding stuff that you guys suggest.

* for specialised memes, as the category is rather large:

[–] mp3@lemmy.ca 76 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (3 children)

I had the audacity to say that the deaths of Tiannanmen's Square were inexcusable, no matter who started the violence, and my comment was removed under instance rule 1 (bigotry).. like wat πŸ˜‚

[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 46 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Ah, typical lemmy.ml . They have a hard time understanding that you can support a certain ideology without necessarily turning a blind eye to everything that people claim to be doing for the sake of said ideology, or that any criticism against their actions is automatically false.

I remember you, by the way. You were already an old Lemmy user when I joined in, 3y ago!

[–] mp3@lemmy.ca 15 points 6 days ago (1 children)

My OG account is 6 years old πŸ‘΄

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[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 8 points 5 days ago

I dared to say that the illegal, violent invasion of the foreign nation of Ukraine was bad. Turns out NATO made them do that, as well as rape and torture all those people and steal the children. Who knew... πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈ

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 5 days ago

The irony of so-called Marxist-Leninists refusing to be self-critical...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_and_self-criticism_(Marxism%E2%80%93Leninism)

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 50 points 6 days ago (2 children)

The .ml transparency thing is a symptom, not a root cause. The admins like and even participate in the .ml rhetoric. The rules ambiguity is intentional.

[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 30 points 6 days ago (2 children)

We could argue that the root cause is that .ml admins pretending that their instance's target audience is wider than it actually is.

[–] awwwyissss@lemm.ee 29 points 6 days ago

Their target audience is Westerner suckers gullible enough to have their opinions manipulated

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 10 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (4 children)

Do they though?

I was rejected when I first tried to sign up (when I was entirely new to lemmy) and they're turning at least one user away now

[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 8 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (3 children)

Ah, they do it now? When I signed up there (~3y ago) there was no such thing.

Anyway, it's still a problem because most users interacting with .ml content are from other instances.

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[–] 5in1k@lemm.ee 5 points 6 days ago

It’s a great advertisement for communism that’s for sure. They haven’t even gotten real power and it already resembles the worst of what communism offers. They’re a bunch of wannabe Ceausescu’s.

[–] awwwyissss@lemm.ee 29 points 6 days ago

the main issue with .ml is ~~transparency~~ authoritarian propaganda with full-throated support from the admins

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 22 points 6 days ago (1 children)

If they were banning people for shit posting on a communism community I wouldn't have a problem. Its when you get removed banned from all communities because you said you don't like there crappy memes

[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 30 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Or even if they had an instance-wide rule saying "don't criticise Russia or China here". It's fine as long as the rules are clear.

But no, instead they libel the users criticising either, claiming that they violated rule #1 (TL;DR "no bigots"). Even when the criticism is clearly against the government.

And then you get a bunch of 11yos eating that ban message for breakfast, because they're ~~full of gullibleness and don't get the purpose of this utterance~~ dumb fucks.

[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 13 points 6 days ago (7 children)

Tbf, that admin telling someone to kill themselves wasn't exactly a high mark for their ethics imho.

[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It isn't a high mark, I agree. But while the "kill you are self lol." thing could be just an admin in a really shitty day, this lack of transparency is consistent behaviour.

[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 7 points 6 days ago (3 children)

I get what you are saying: shittiness that happens daily is a more consistent pattern than something that happens ONCE.

On the other hand, an admin telling someone to literally kill themselves is such an extreme event that it might be grounds for their removal as an admin?

It's an age-old philosophy problem: which is worse, stealing daily vs. actually killing someone once?

Or is that a trick question, since both are kinda shitty, no?

In any case, what happens when someone does BOTH of them?

The answer is ofc literally nothing, when said person is protected by the instance admins who are also the developers of this codebase. I wonder what would have happened though if Huffman was caught saying something similar to the users of Reddit? Yeah, nothing, that's right - it's not like we would leave Reddit or anything:-P. (Except I did, and now I've left Lemmy too, hello from PieFed!:-D)

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[–] NateNate60@lemmy.world 20 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

!asklemmy@lemmy.world has over 70 times as many subscribers as the other two asklemmy communities combined.

[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 37 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I'm avoiding linking lemmy.world instances. We shouldn't put even more eggs in that basket, you know.

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 21 points 6 days ago (2 children)

But maybe we shouldn't throw out the few eggs Lemmy does have.

[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 11 points 6 days ago (9 children)

Nobody is throwing eggs out. I'm recommending one basket instead of another, that's it.

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[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 17 points 6 days ago

Mmhmm, mmhmm - secret laws, secret trials - definitely not authoritarian behavior at all.

[–] Sergio@slrpnk.net 13 points 6 days ago (2 children)

memes:

and for more specialized memes:

world news: I realize you're avoiding lemmy.world to promote decentralization which is why you're listing !news@beehaw.org, but note that beehaw defederated itself from lemmy.world and from several others?

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] Sergio@slrpnk.net 8 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Their sidebar has a longish explanation of where they're coming from.

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I'll check it out, thanks.

Edit: sounds good to me. Especially that last bit.

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[–] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] can@sh.itjust.works 5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)
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[–] Gullible@sh.itjust.works 11 points 6 days ago

An odd choice on their part is dessalines upvoting every comment that corresponds to a removal or ban. Feels almost as though they’ve Jerry-rigged their moderation code to an extreme degree in order to keep up with the day job levels of moderation they’re doing.

[–] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago

I suggest you add !globalnews@lemmy.zip to the news section. Beehaw isn't accessible to people on instances they've defederated from or instances that have defederated them.

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