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Kremlin says hypersonic missile strike on Ukraine was a warning to the west

The Kremlin said on Friday that a strike on Ukraine using a newly developed hypersonic ballistic missile was designed to warn the west that Moscow will respond to moves by the US and the UK to let Kyiv strike Russia with their missiles.

According to Agence France-Presse (AFP), the Kremlin spokesperson, Dmitry Peskov, was speaking a day after Russian president, Vladimir Putin, said Moscow had fired the new missile – the Oreshnik or ‘hazel tree’- at a Ukrainian military facility.

Peskov said Russia had not been obliged to warn the US about the strike, but had informed the US 30 minutes before the launch anyway. Putin remained open to dialogue, Peskov said.

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[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 31 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Hey wake up, an ignorant wasp is once again trivializing the threat of nuclear holocaust.

[–] originalfrozenbanana@lemm.ee 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Hey wake up, either Putin is threatening nuclear holocaust to achieve diplomatic goals or he’s committing nuclear holocaust to achieve diplomatic goals what the fuck are you talking about

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 22 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Last I checked it was NATO that started launching missiles into Russia escalating the conflict, but do go on champ.

[–] nick@midwest.social 19 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (8 children)

I suppose it’s also NATOs fault Russia invaded Ukraine in the first place?

[–] IWantToMakeProgress@hexbear.net 3 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

Why is Ukraine the West's Fault? Featuring John Mearsheimer - Date: Sep 26, 2015

John J. Mearsheimer, the R. Wendell Harrison Distinguished Service Professor in Political Science and Co-director of the Program on International Security Policy at the University of Chicago, assesses the causes of the present Ukraine crisis, the best way to end it, and its consequences for all of the main actors. A key assumption is that in order to come up with the optimum plan for ending the crisis, it is essential to know what caused the crisis. Regarding the all-important question of causes, the key issue is whether Russia or the West bears primary responsibility.

Watch this and think for yourself. A very similar comparison is Cuban Missile Crisis 1962.

[–] SoyViking@hexbear.net 39 points 1 day ago (11 children)

Pretty much, yes. If one great power keeps threatening and encroaching on another and undermines all attempts at diplomacy, it's pretty obvious what is going to happen.

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[–] Maturin@hexbear.net 48 points 1 day ago

I suppose it’s also NATOs fault Russia invaded Ukraine in the first place?

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[–] DoiDoi@hexbear.net 37 points 1 day ago

Yeah there you go! Always nice to see people come around to a linear time, material conditions, and context view of the world instead of just vibes.

[–] sadschmuck@hexbear.net 45 points 1 day ago (1 children)

No, Putin woke up one day and felt like doing a little "full-scale" invasion.

[–] nick@midwest.social 13 points 1 day ago
[–] Gucci_Minh@hexbear.net 38 points 1 day ago

Yes lmao, if they didn't ignore the minsk agreements and do a coup (maidan) to install a CIA handpicked government, this would not have happened.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 34 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (14 children)

Yes, as many western experts explained in great detail for many decades now. Yet, we still have ignoramuses running around pretending that's not the case. Even Stoltenberg has admitted this on record at this point, time to update your script

He wanted us to sign that promise, never to enlarge NATO. He wanted us to remove our military infrastructure in all Allies that have joined NATO since 1997, meaning half of NATO, all the Central and Eastern Europe, we should remove NATO from that part of our Alliance, introducing some kind of B, or second class membership. We rejected that. So he went to war to prevent NATO, more NATO, close to his borders.

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/opinions_218172.htm

[–] nick@midwest.social 5 points 1 day ago (3 children)

It's really hard to tell why Russia might start swinging when the west not only breaks every treaty it's ever signed with it, but then has the gall to turn around and go "you can get fucked" right afterwards thonk

[–] UrPartnerInCrime@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

nick, my dude. Save your sanity.

Most everyone here agrees that 'Y' sucks, and you can't reason with em

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[–] originalfrozenbanana@lemm.ee 5 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Any time you end a thought with “so therefore threatening nuclear holocaust is justified” you’re the bad guys.

[–] RedWizard@hexbear.net 33 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

During WWII, America shocked the world when they revealed their nuclear capacity by dropping not one, but two atomic bombs on strictly civilian targets. Since then, they have maintained a first strike policy, meaning, their plans for their nuclear arsenal are not defensive, but aggressive and the highest form of escalation.

During the Korean War, Dugless MacArthur asked the joint chiefs of staff for approval to use nuclear weapons on China, to the tune of 30, to 50 nuclear strikes. They approved. MacArthur's goal was to create a radioactive no-mans land across Russia and China to act as a buffer zone between after the war was "won".

During the JFK Administration, they drew up plans for nuclear first strike against the Soviet Union if conflict in Berlin turned violent.

The Nixon administration drew up plans to drop nuclear bombs on North Vietnam.

Just this week, news broke that the Biden administration is considering giving Ukraine nukes. "Several officials even suggested that Mr. Biden could return nuclear weapons to Ukraine that were taken from it after the fall of the Soviet Union." You'll tell me this is strictly defensive, then I beg you to consider reading why the Soviet Union was giving Cuba nuclear weapons during the Cuban Missile Crisis.

The only place threatening a Nuclear Holocaust is the United States. They remain today the only country on earth to have dropped not one, but two atomic bombs on war targets (read civilian populations).

[–] FromPieces@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 1 day ago

There were some anecdotes I remember reading (that I'd really appreciate some sources on, if ever I get around to investigating) about how the Soviet Union during the Cold War maintained a steely eyed, ice cold resolve as the US was doing everything they could to spark a nuclear war. Pieces I remember are times the US flew bombers at Moscow, watching for Soviet reaction, hoping to find out the range ability of Soviet radar.

And then the Cuban Missile Crisis of course

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 41 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

America, the only country ever to drop nukes on two cities full of people as a terror tactic, has a nuclear first strike policy and is therefore threatening the entire world with nuclear holocaust at all times. I agree, we're the bad guys.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 24 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The fact that you don't understand how idiotic that statement is says volumes about you. Imagine for a second what would happened if Russia started lobbing missiles into Florida from Cuba. Oh wait, we don't have to imagine we know exactly what would happen. Killer clowns like you are gonna be the reason our civilization ends.

[–] KLISHDFSDF@lemmy.ml 0 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

in this scenario, does florida invade cuba first?

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 13 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Burgerland already occupies part of Cuban territory, so the invasion is just frozen at this point.

[–] KLISHDFSDF@lemmy.ml 3 points 17 hours ago

Burgerland

🤣

[–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 6 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

The USA literally has a torture camp in Cuba with admittedly innocent people being held for life.

I swear to god Americans know more about the Marvel movies than about their fucking state.

[–] KLISHDFSDF@lemmy.ml -2 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

apologies for not exactly spelling it out for you - is the US actively bombing innocent cubans? I get it, there's a torture camp- wish it didn't exist. analogies don't have to be perfect.

[–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 4 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

You're literally the one nitpicking the analogy lmao.

Anyway, keep up the cope, gringo. Enjoy your cost of living crisis while yall froth at the mouth about Raytheon-appointed scapegoat.

[–] KLISHDFSDF@lemmy.ml -2 points 17 hours ago

You’re literally the one nitpicking the analogy lmao.

you literally started it ¯_(ツ)_/¯ - apologies for not phrasing it properly, English is not my first language.

Enjoy your cost of living crisis

que miedo 😱

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