I think they mostly believe the way that some people on the left treat black people is worse than dislike from typical racists. They call it the bigotry of low expectations. Actually acting as if black people are lesser and unable to do the things white people are expected to do. It's true there are people like that but it's prevalence is questionable.

[–] Doldon42@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

For clarification it's because they don't believe in the fact that systematic rasicim exsits or anything like that so in their world black people all end up in the worst places to live due to choice and ignorance rather being a byproduct of a system ment to bring any person of color down

[–] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think he means more the way some white knights will belittle minorities in the process of trying to defend them. Using arguments about them being oppressed because of basic societal expectations that the particular white knight assumes they're not capable of.

You'll know it when you see it, it's really strange to hear.

[–] WheeGeetheCat@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

warning this whole comment is USA-centric point of view, sorry entire rest of the world

I think you guys are talking about liberals tendency to infantilize. https://lawliberty.org/infantilizing-minority-students/

Both liberals and conservatives are basically servants of capitalism first, and derive their beliefs from rationalizing the state of the world that capitalism has created.

Conservatives believe that capitalism is the 'natural state' - so nothing needs to be done about the unequal outcomes.

Liberals believe that the unequal outcomes are unfair, but rather than attacking the source (capitalism), they try to solve it by 'babying' those they see as victims of the system, which doesn't really help.

edit: I want to note that the source I linked has high right wing bias (https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/law-liberty-bias/). I do believe that our opponents sometimes see our weaknesses clearer than ourselves, but still felt like pointing this out because they start blaming stupid shit for the systemic racism in the USA towards the end.

The point is, both parties point at each other and workers as individuals to avoid pointing at capitalism.

[–] two_wheel2@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I think they might be talking about stuff like “it’s wrong to expect black people to be on time for meetings” which was a quote I heard from someone who I believe meant well. There is a reasonable argument on both sides of that probably, but it left a bad taste in my mouth

[–] Tb0n3@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah. It's not circumstances due to active oppression, but the assumption that black people cannot operate in a white man's world at the same level so they need all kinds of accomodations. Like I said, I don't know the prevalence but is absolutely a real thing and worth calling out.

[–] Confuzzeled@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Jesus wept, is it a trope that black people are late? I've never heard that before, extremely bizarre.

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