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Why are so many Pro-Palestine (I am pro-Palestine and anti-genocide) Americans refusing to vote for Harris due to her stance on Israel? (discuss.tchncs.de)

submitted 3 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) by dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml

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As the title states I am confused on this matter. The way I see it, the USA has a two party system and in the next few weeks they’re either going to have Trump or Harris as president, come inauguration day. With this in mind doesn’t it make sense to vote for the person least likely to escalate the situation even more.

Giving your vote to an independent or worse not voting at all, just gives more of a chance for Trump to win the election and then who knows what crazy stuff he will allow, or encourage, Israel to get away with.

I really don’t get the logic. As sure nobody wants to vote for a party allowing these heinous crimes to be committed, but given you’re getting one of them shouldn’t you be voting for the one that will be the least horrible of the two.

Please don’t come at me with pro-Israeli rhetoric as this isn’t the post for that, I’m asking about why people would make such choices and I’m not up for debate on the Middle East, on this post, you can DM me for that.

Edit: Bedtime here now so will respond to incoming comments in the morning, love starting the day with an inbox full 😊.

Edit 2: This blew up, it’s a little overwhelming right now but I do intent on replying to everybody that took the time to comment. Just need to get in the right headspace.

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[–] Talisker@lemmy.world 19 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (26 children)

Your vote is your consent.

Imagine for a minute that your perfect political candidate was running. The only catch is that if they win they are promising to personally execute your family in front of you. The other guy is gonna kill your family too so everyone tells you to stop being such a single issue voter and vote for the lesser evil.

Do you still vote for them? Or do you refuse to participate in the execution of your family?

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 9 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

Does refusing to vote stop your family from being executed?

[–] Talisker@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Probably not. But it doesn’t include your consent at the very least.

Maybe you’re a perfectly objective person who can still vote for your families execution. But I think most people would struggle with it, if they’re being truly honest with themselves.

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 3 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

It boils down to if you think any admin will ever change how the US deals with Israel. And if that's true, then how does change happen? Maybe if the rest of the world pushes against the US? Other countries are having their own struggle with any change suggested being labeled as a convenient antisemitism. This is a huge US problem, but not JUST a US problem. And I know OP didn't want to get into the politics of it, but it's hard to avoid when that's exactly what it is, politics while people die and other people try to object and question it but get stomped down for doing so.

[–] Talisker@lemmy.world 17 points 3 weeks ago

Does it? Or does it boil down to whether or not you are willing to rubber stamp the death of your loved ones.

When it’s theoretical gamesmanship people like you are more than willing to act like dispassionate chess masters but I have a hard time believing that if it was your family getting killed you would be so cavalier.

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I knew I'd get downvoted by some for asking how to arrive at some solution with the given dilemma we're in. Maybe some people don't want to fix it.

[–] basmati@lemmus.org 9 points 3 weeks ago

Because the only actual solutions violate us law to even talk about, and lemmy is subject to us law.

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