Edit: This is a dumb question of course you do. Read the source on political scientists agreeing that social liberalism is leftist. Go ahead and disagree if you want

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 4 weeks ago (10 children)

Nope, but advocating for "socioeconomic equality" by advocating for Capitalism, a system based on private accumulation and inequality, is hilariously wrong.

[+] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world -8 points 4 weeks ago (9 children)

You're just a closed minded marxist. It's ok.

[–] 5wim@slrpnk.net 8 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Friend, take the straight point as it's delivered: capitalism is a system of oppression, and "liberals" support capitalism.

Leftists call those saying "this system of oppression would be perfect, with only some changes" liberals.

[–] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world -5 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

I understand the point you're trying to relay; however, I'm going to have to disagree.

You're basically saying that the only way to bring about systemic change is through Marxism, and I can't agree with that. From another comment i posted:

There are other things like support for social justice and human rights, anti-imperialism and internationalism, desire for systemic change, secularism, opposition to traditional hierarchies, etc. Are you then going to tell me that these characteristics i have outlined are right wing? Or that they are only achievable by being Marxist or Anarchist?

[–] 5wim@slrpnk.net 6 points 4 weeks ago

I don't think you understand, because you came out of left field to restate my point as "the only way to bring about systemic change is through Marxism."

Wtf? Where did I say anything related to Marxism, let alone use the word?

I will reply to your quote:

There are other things like support for social justice and human rights, anti-imperialism and internationalism, desire for systemic change, secularism, opposition to traditional hierarchies, etc. Are you then going to tell me that these characteristics i have outlined are right wing? Or that they are only achievable by being Marxist or Anarchist?

No! Those things are only achievable through anticapitalism! Marxism and anarchism are examples of anticapitalist thought.

"Opposition to traditional hierarchies," "desire for systemic change," "anti-imperialism," and "social justice" are hollow, offensive, and nonsensical when ignoring capitalism.

I'm not a Marxist, and you can call yourself whatever you like, but if you haven't attained class consciousness enough to recognize that capitalism is a death cult, you're a fucking liberal.

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