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Hey all,

In light of recent events concerning one of our communities (/c/vegan), we (as a team) have spent the last week working on how to address better some concerns that had arisen between the moderators of that community and the site admin team. We always strive to find a balance between the free expression of communities hosted here and protecting users from potentially harmful content.

We as a team try to stick to a general rule of respect and consideration for the physical and mental well-being of our users when drafting new rules and revising existing ones. Furthermore, we've done our best to try to codify these core beliefs into the additions to the ToS and a new by-laws section.

ToS Additions

That being said, we will be adding a new section to our “terms of service” concerning misinformation. While we do try to be as exact as reasonably able, we also understand that rules can be up to interpretation as well. This is a living document, and users are free to respectfully disagree. We as site admins will do our best to consider the recommendations of all users regarding potentially revising any rules.

Regarding misinformation, we've tried our best to capture these main ideas, which we believe are very reasonable:

  • Users are encouraged to post information they believe is true and helpful.
  • We recommend users conduct thorough research using reputable scientific sources.
  • When in doubt, a policy of “Do No Harm”, based on the Hippocratic Oath, is a good compass on what is okay to post.
  • Health-related information should ideally be from peer-reviewed, reproducible scientific studies.
    • Single studies may be valid, but often provide inadequate sample sizes for health-related advice.
    • Non-peer-reviewed studies by individuals are not considered safe for health matters.

We reserve the right to remove information that could cause imminent physical harm to any living being. This includes topics like conversion therapy, unhealthy diets, and dangerous medical procedures. Information that could result in imminent physical harm to property or other living beings may also be removed.

We know some folks who are free speech absolutists may disagree with this stance, but we need to look out for both the individuals who use this site and for the site itself.

By-laws Addition

We've also added a new by-laws section as well as a result of this incident. This new section is to better codify the course of action that should be taken by site and community moderators when resolving conflict on the site, and also how to deal with dormant communities.

This new section provides also provides a course of action for resolving conflict with site admin staff, should it arise. We want both the users and moderators here to feel like they have a voice that is heard, and essentially a contact point that they can feel safe going to, to “talk to the manager” type situation, more or less a new Lemmy.World HR department that we've created as a result of what has happened over the last week.

Please feel free to raise any questions in this thread. We encourage everyone to please take the time to read over these new additions detailing YOUR rights and how we hope to better protect everyone here.

https://legal.lemmy.world/tos/#80-misinformation

https://legal.lemmy.world/bylaws/

Sincerely,

FHF / LemmyWorld Operations Team


EDIT:

We will be releasing a separate post regarding the moderation incident in the next 24-48 hours, just getting final approval from the team.

EDIT 2 (2024-08-31):

We've posted a response, sorry for the delay.

👉 https://lemmy.world/post/19264848 👈

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[–] qevlarr@lemmy.world 22 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (18 children)

This is a bit learning the wrong lesson from what happened, isn't it? The problem is admin overreach. There was some disagreement on a sub, no big deal. I don't even care what it's about, I have no opinion on it. But now this admin comes in like Eric Cartman "Respect mah authoritah!". What am I supposed to make of that? Nobody was advocating animal abuse. I worry about admins who can't just let something go, who can't handle disagreement, like a cop always looking to escalate.

So thanks for the rules clarification, I guess, but what about:

  • won't this general guideline of 'do no harm' stifle discussion in case it isn't clear which is the harmful position? For example covid
  • is there a process in place when an admin does something in the heat of the moment, that the admin team can let them cool off for a bit?
  • is removing mods going to be the norm?
  • will there be more rules when another admin disagrees with a mod?
  • why was this escalated like this? Don't you think removing mod status is an overreaction (procedure wise)?
  • does the 'anti animal abuse' statute apply to animal consumption and animal products? Vegan community has a point there
  • what about rooki?

All in all, please don't kill this instance by telling people what to think. There is healthy discussion and people don't always have to agree. That doesn't make me a 'free speech absolutist'. I think removing moderator privileges was quite out of bounds. Again, nobody was advocating animal abuse at all.

Mods and admins are here to keep discussion healthy, not impose their views on everyone else, right? So don't! And don't cover for others who do!

[–] graphene@lemm.ee 5 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I, and I'm sure many others, will not take someone who thinks COVID is "controversial" with no "clear harmful position" seriously.

I'm not sure what your opinions on COVID are but if you're anti-science on this one then I disagree with you.

[–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 5 points 2 months ago (2 children)

It was a hypothetical

Wth no actual example. But just to pick one, is it controversial to advocate for mandating public masking? I would say so. The consensus has moved on to making this a personal choice, but I could very easily make the "controversial" argument that this is ableist, and that mandating masking will save lives.

It's not going to be very popular though, that's for sure.

I'm not actually looking to debate this, but just pointing out there are legitimate debates to be had around COVID.

[–] qevlarr@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

That's exactly what I meant, thank you. It was an example, I don't want to talk about covid specifically. I'm not referring to injecting bleach or that kind of nonsense, where the admins already should have enough tools to enforce. It's just that this guiding principle in case of doubt makes it much too broad. It's making a sweeping statement about all the gray area of any issue

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