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How do you make someone understand that being drafted by force and ordered to invade another country is not a good thing? (sh.itjust.works)

submitted 3 months ago by index@sh.itjust.works to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml

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[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The possible benefits of something unethical doesn't justify doing it.

[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works -1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I'd hold a lesser of two evils justify it. The government already dictates what you need to do. Is it the commanded act of killing people that you think takes it too far?

[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

a lesser of two evils justufies it

Again, no it doesnt.

the government already dictates what you need to do

what? no?

is the command act of killing people that you think takes it too far?

any forced labor takes it too far.

[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works -1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

They force jury duty, taxes, traffic laws, and sometimes public service or jail time. Those are all forced labor.

[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The difference is that the need for a jury of your peers is in the constitution.

Traffic laws are not forced labor. Nor is jail time, that's a punishment.

I'm starting to think you have no idea what you're talking about.

[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

They dictate what you do and don't do. Taxes take a portion of your time as well since you need to work longer. I didn't see how it's categorically different. Just a difference of extent.

[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yes and that extent is an issue, especially when it goes over the line of what's allowed in the constitution.

[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

So if a country wrote conscription into their constitution it'd be fine?

[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

No that's one of two ways its bad

[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

So than what makes conscription too far? Would non military mandatory government service be permissible? How long would that duration need to be in order to be unacceptable?

[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

No that would not be acceptable either. There's a massive difference between jury duty and military service. Theres frequency/amount, and the basic fact that jury duty is a domestic thing.

[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 months ago

So would a one week domestic only draft be acceptable?