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My theory is that they are living in a world of hierarchies and apologizing is admitting a mistake, which takes them down a few levels on the hierarchy of power/popularity.

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[–] BackOnMyBS@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I’m sorry you feel this way

I've heard that that type of statement could be considered passive-aggressive because it's not a real apology since it's implying that the problem is on the hurt person for choosing to feel that way.

[–] anonymouse@feddit.de 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Exactly. I'd interpret "I'm sorry you feel this way" passive-aggressive as well and that's the reason I wouldn't want to push someone to apologize to me if they don't want to. How do THEY get to apologize for MY feelings?

I guess it's just a difficult situation to be in. I think it is okay if you do something another person doesn't like/hurts them but not apologize for it. You didn't know it better. If they tell you that they were hurt by your action then acknowledge it ("It wasn't my intention. I won't do it again.") AND DON'T DO IT AGAIN (if it's a reasonable request and/or you know the person)! Simple as that. People don't HAVE TO apologize for their actions especially if it's something that isn't offensive to most people and they couldn't have known someone else doesn't like it. Of course it would be nice to hear "I'm sorry I hurt you" or something along those lines too, but I also understand that they don't want to apologize if they don't see a problem in the act itself. But If they still proceed to do the action then I'd be pissed (again if it's a reasonable request).

[–] BackOnMyBS@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I agree. People don't have to apologize, but the recipients don't have to disregard the behaviors. I think the problem comes from when you are upset over their actions despite their intent, and they insist that you don't feel the way you are feeling. It's not that I'm requesting an apology, and they don't want to give one. It's that I feel a certain way, and they want me to feel differently without apologizing for it. That's not how I function, and we don't have to insist on a relationship in which our different functioning styles don't interact well.

AND DON’T DO IT AGAIN

yesssssssss!!!! This is the most important part of any apology. Even if they give the most wonderful speech of an apology that acknowledges their behaviors and impact, it means nothing if they do not take active effective steps to avoid doing it again. If doing something hurtful, apologizing for it, and then doing it again is a pattern, that's getting into the realm of abuse.

[–] anonymouse@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

edit (sent the answer too fast)

and they insist that you don’t feel the way you are feeling

okay, I'd say that that is another problem than not wanting for apologizing for one's actions.

It’s that I feel a certain way, and they want me to feel differently without apologizing for it.

I don't think that most people want the other person to feel differently but to make them understand that they didn't hurt them on purpose (that's why they empathize the 'but I didn't mean to') but then they get defensive when they are asked to apologize because to them that means that the offended person thinks that they did do it on purpose, that they did it to spite/hurt them. Like unknowingly bringing up a sensitive topic during a conversation. They don't want to apologize that they spoke about this topic because they don't think that it's a inherently 'wrong' topic to talk about. They do, however, want to convey that they didn't know that this is a sensitive topic to you and they wouldn't have brought it up if they'd known better. At least that's the way I see it if I'm in the position of a neutral observer in this kind of situation.

If your counterpart is actively trying to manipulating you that's different of course but I didn't interpret the comic from that point of view.