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[–] Tartas1995@discuss.tchncs.de 82 points 3 months ago (38 children)

What first party solved the issue with PayPal? I literally want to see it burn but I don't have an alternative.

[–] tiramichu@lemm.ee 43 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (16 children)

I don't understand the PayPal one either.

Who is the 'first party' in this case? The banking system as a whole?

If it's the whole banking system then I'm not sure how that's solved, because as I understand in the US it's still not easy to send money to another private individual via the banking system. And there are Venmo and cashapp and such now but they are just other third parties.

Meanwhile in the UK here it has been possible for decades to send money between bank accounts directly, and free. I still use PayPal though, because my use for it isn't sending money to individuals, it's being able to buy things online without creating an account and without giving my card details.

Maybe people are thinking in phone terms, and the first party is "Apple" or "Google" and the solution is Apple Pay or Google Wallet?

[–] wildncrazyguy138@fedia.io 13 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

I think it’s that PayPal was one of the firsts to provide a method for collecting credit card transactions electronically.

Before PayPal, you’d often have to visit a website, then call the phone number for the seller to collect payment.

eBay needed paypal because their sellers were often not businesses, just people yardsaling stuff online.

Coincidentally, I interned at a PayPal competitor in 1998 that went under during the bust. We had an electronic interface through MS access, but it was a still a human entering in the CC number into one of those dial pads on our side and then confirming the transaction. I’m sure with all of the concerns around security nowadays that you can understand why that was a terrible long term business model.

[–] tiramichu@lemm.ee 3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Thanks for the context. Here in the UK I never experienced a website that didn't take payment via credit card directly as a first option - that's always been there default, with some sites offering PayPal as a second or third way to pay.

And about punching the numbers manually then well, sometimes a bit of Mechanical Turk works just fine lol! :)

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 2 points 3 months ago

I deal with websites today that are optimized for PayPal first with worse second and third options.

A lot of websites with third party vendors rely on PayPal since it is the cheapest account for a seller with international access and PayPal handles the fraud investigation.

[–] HootinNHollerin@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

I don’t think you’re thinking of the same time frame though

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