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Hi there, I'm not trying to start a political argument or anything, I'm just curious what people here think about this often repeated claim that the Federation is a socialist or even communist utopia? I know Strange New Worlds did say in dialogue it is socialist but I was wondering if people here think that's accurate? I'm not a communist or a marxist or anything like that, but I've had people who identify as such tell me the Federation basically is communist. So anyway, what's your thoughts?

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[–] MrSaturn@startrek.website -1 points 3 months ago (9 children)

I mean ppl own businesses, land and houses. Is that not private property?

I can't think of any societies that emphasize individual rights that aren't liberal

[–] TC_209@hexbear.net 7 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Consider Joseph Sisko's restaurant, Sisko's Creole Kitchen. Joseph owns the restaurant, but he doesn't sell anything. He provides goods and services, but he doesn't make any money. Sisko's Creole Kitchen is not a business, it is a labor of love that Joseph operates for himself and his community.

Additionally, the Federation is very socially liberal but it is not economically liberal. Economically, liberalism is a pro-capitalism ideology and capitalism has been abolished in the Federation.

[–] MrSaturn@startrek.website 0 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Well an interesting question would be, could the government just seize his restaurant in the name of the good of society? If not, then it's private property as we understand it, no? Whether it makes money or not

[–] TC_209@hexbear.net 4 points 3 months ago

Joseph Sisko's restaurant is his personal property, not his private property since it is not a money-making venture. Since money, and capitalism, do not exist in the Federation, there is no private property in any form. Furthermore, given Star Trek's egalitarian/utopian vision of the future, no one is going to take Joseph Sisko's restaurant -- the laws of the United Earth government (which has direct jurisdiction over Earth) exist (imo) to protect people's personal property, not take it away.

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