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the profit is the data they use to make money elsewhere. They take a loss to not pay taxes. Companies need to pay off the top.
I'm very skeptical that the data Alexa collects is anywhere near as valuable as people seem to believe it is.
On the highest level, they have a constant firehose of as much audio data from a sea of customers as they wish.
Send it to cheap overseas transcribers, use it to train and improve voice recognition and automatic transcription.
Have a backchannel to television viewing and music listening patterns.
Know when different customers are home or not, improving demographics data.
Know what is discussed within the house for data on ad penetration/reach, brand awareness, and better advertisement targeting.
It's not a direct data to money pipeline, but having an always on listening device in someone's home nets you a ton of useful data as an online retailer and advertiser.
They very explicitly do not collect audio when you haven't used a wake word or activated it some other way. They will not "know what is discussed within the house for data on ad penetration/reach" (which is pretty much the only valuable data you've mentioned here), nor will they "have a backchannel to television viewing and music listening patterns" unless you actively discuss it with your device.
I'm not going to put words in your mouth, but if whoever reads this is thinking of replying "are you going to trust that" etc, yes I am. We can track which data an Alexa transmits in real time and directly verify this "always listening" isn't happening. Even if we couldn't independently verify that his is the case, and lets say they contradict their privacy policy and public statements and do it anyway, that's a crazy liability nightmare. Amazon has more than enough lawyers to know that unconsentually recording someone and using that data is very illegal in most places, and would open them up to so many lawsuits if they accidentally leaked or mishandled the data. Take the conspiracy hat off and put your thinking cap on.
Bad for privacy, but also not a $25 billion dollar source of revenue.
Alexa, Google Home, and Siri devices are not good sources of data. If they were, why would Google, king of kings when it comes to data collection, be cutting their Assistant teams so much?
No company blows 25 billion on purpose without a reason
It's a good thing their reason is explained very clearly in the article linked in this post. They believed Alexa would have a high "downstream impact", i.e.generate sales or subscriptions elsewhere in the company. Which it has so far failed to do.
Amazon wants the loss to avoid paying taxes. They would never admit it is doing well collecting data.
Can you explain to me exactly how moving where profit is recorded from one division to another in the same organization reduces their tax burden? Because, excuse me, I know I only did a year or two of accounting courses before dropping the degree, but that's not how I understand taxes to work.
Also to be turning a profit by "doing well collecting data", the open market value of the data Alexa alone annually generates would need to be around 8% of the entire global data market. If you can justify how millions of instances of "Alexa set a timer for 10 minutes", "Alexa what is the weather", or "Alexa play despacito" generates that much value, maybe you have a point.
“Excuse me”
You seem pretty agitated, and I don’t want to engage with you if you’re going to be impolite.
Yeah well, apologies for being a little sassy, but I'm not exactly a big fan of your tone either.
Read it in a polite tone.
You used polite words, but you were condescending. I'm not interested in whether that was intentional or not, but that is the vibe you gave.
It’s the vibe you put on it. Not the intended vibe. Not everyone is trying to start shit.
As I said, I don't care if you "intended" to be condescending, I'm saying you were. Judging by your comment history you often are, so maybe get used to people responding with a bit of attitude.
Don’t judge a book by its comment history. You should block me, so we don’t have to interact again. I will do the same. I wish you well.
But jumping at the shadows is sometimes all the exercise we get!
Read the next paragraph, I already addressed you armchair conspiracy theoriests. We can independent verify their claims by analysing the device's network traffic, I've literally done it myself and seen with my own eyes that it doesn't happen. If you don't believe me, you can also check for yourself.
How much computing power do you think it takes to approximately recognise a predefined word or phrase? They do that locally, on device, and then stream whatever audio follows to more powerful computers in AWS (the cloud). To get ahead of whatever conspiratorial crap you're about to say next, Alexa devices are not powerful enough to transcribe arbitrary speech.
Again, to repeat, people smarter than you and me have analysed the network traffic from Alexa devices and independently verified that it is not streaming audio (or transcripts) unless it has heard something close (i.e close enough such that the fairly primative audio processing (which is primitive because it's cheap, not for conspiracy reasons) recognises it) to the wake word. I have also observed this, albeit with less rigorous methodology. You can check this yourself, why don't you do that and verify for yourself whether this conspiracy holds up?
I'm going to treat you with good faith and assume you were using "cool man" in the same way someone might say "that's just like your opinion man", as a saying, but I will remind you that this person has their pronouns in their display name and you need to respect them.
If I offended anyone, I apologize. But man... People like you make this shit look bad (I know this is old, I just saw it).
I respect people's choices with respect to gender expression. What I don't respect is people who use that shit as a cudgel to censor opinions they don't like that are entirely unrelated to that subject.
That person had NO pronouns listed next to their name. I frankly don't clock people's usernames before commenting so had no idea what their username even was. That said, one could argue that the name Emily implies nothing about a person's preferred pronouns. Unless you know them personally, or they complained personally about this, then YOU are the one assuming gender and pronouns. Fuck dude, why am I even assuming that the person's username is their real name? Oh no, I just said "dude" are you going to ban me?
Two people who have never seen/heard/spoken to one another discussing something on the internet, and one is supposed to, what, intuit the other's preferred pronouns? What if Emily did not identify as a woman, and you just corrected me? It's almost as if "cool man" isn't gender specific anymore, and you know that.
The pronouns are right there, in the display name
. I'm confused, do they not show up for you? You're on our instance so I'm guessing it's not a front-end difference, but maybe you're browsing on an app that doesn't show it appropriately? Although I would mention their username itself includes the words "IsTrans" and is sourced from lemmy.blahaj.zone so those should be other key indicators.
I was hardly about to ban you over a small mistake. The only reason I even replied to this, is that multiple people reported it and Emily herself came in and corrected you. The action was more about signaling to others that this is a safe space.
Not a man. My pronouns are in my username. Even you can connect the dots here.
Even on mbin where I can't see your pronouns, your username itself is Emily. There's no excuse for their behavior.
Thank you Emma, genuinely 🩷
I'd love to know why you think it's okay to insult her like that.
And who knows what secrets they may be trading for favors as well?
Are you confusing Alexa and Trump?