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Bankir and his men have been trying to fight off Russian attacks along the Ukrainian front lines for more than two years. But it’s only now that they are finally able to strike where it hurts: Inside Russia’s own territory.

The newly granted permission by the United States and other allies to use Western weapons to strike inside Russia has had a huge impact, Bankir said. “We have destroyed targets inside Russia, which allowed for several successful counteroffensives. The Russian military can no longer feel impunity and security,” the senior officer in Ukraine’s Security Service (SBU) told CNN. For security reasons, he asked to be identified by his call sign only.

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[–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 54 points 4 months ago (18 children)

People keep saying this, but take the premise a little more seriously and it falls apart. Whom does Russia nuke, and in hopes of what outcome?

The only winning move is "nuke everyone all at once so far that nobody can retaliate, and then rule the world". They simply don't have that capability.

[–] upto60percentoff@kbin.run 13 points 4 months ago (17 children)

Ukraine?

Striking inside their territory won't matter all that much if they can just nuke Kiyv.

And breaking the nuclear taboo is a catastrophe for everybody, regardless of who the target is.

[–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 36 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (13 children)

It would not instantly win them the war - it more likely would provoke a direct response from Ukraine's supporters. Further, Putin would have to go on TV explaining why it was necessary, given that state media has been shouting Russian military supremacy from the rooftops this entire time. I don't see how he justifies it to his side, and critically, to the power brokers in Russia who support him. He would jeopardize his own situation with nukes, at least for now.

As all of the (nine?) nuclear powers know, normalizing the use of nukes on non nuclear powers will lead directly to massive proliferation, which is a nightmare scenario for Russia. Their entire geopolitical outlook depends on a world of purely bilateral agreements in which they are usually the stronger, so having to deal with more nuclear powers down the line would be seen as a major impediment.

[–] upto60percentoff@kbin.run 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I'm not saying they'll do it, I'm saying it's incorrect to state that there's no valid strategic target when there absolutely is.

[–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

The target you mentioned does tick that box... But only if you carefully cut the corners off so that you're only looking at what happens inside Ukraine within the space of a couple of months.

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