The outcomes of civil wars is widely acknowledged by both state practice and opinio juris as being a legitimate factor in the determination of sovereignty over a territory. If you don't believe me, ask the Confederate States of America and the Republic of Vietnam about their experiences and get back to me.

There is no "morality problem" because there is no issue of morality here. Morality is not a factor in international law.

[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub -3 points 5 months ago (2 children)

We're not talking about what is 'widely acknowledged', we are talking about what you have expressed as your personal belief. And you do have a morality problem:

Skill issue. If I wanted to have a recognized independent country I would simply win the civil war instead of losing and then hiding in America's skirt like a coward.

You believe that in order to be independent from mainland China, Taiwan should have used military force - or again, that might makes right.

You made this statement. It is not about international law, or opinio juris, or any other deflection you want to attempt. It is about what you believe justifies a nation's independence, and it is solely based on the exercise of military power.

[–] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 12 points 5 months ago

Taiwan should have used military force - or again, that might makes right.

"Should have" used military might? Are you from a parallel dimension where the First United Front didn't end in the Shanghai Massacre? Tell me how it went down in your reality then. Chiang embraced the CPC from behind with hugs and kisses as a show of his appreciation for their alliance against the warlords?

I don't have a morality problem because Chiang was an incompetent and corrupt jackass who started the civil war that he ended up losing on the mainland and having to flee to Taiwan Island.

It is about what you believe justifies a nation's independence

My arguments as to international law go precisely towards your factually incorrect and repeated assertion that Taiwan Island is a "nation" or a "country". You accuse me of "deflection" but you repeatedly asserted a factual and legal inaccuracy and refuse to address it. Your problem if you can't engage with the argument, not mine. There is no such thing as a country or nation called "Taiwan" in the world.

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 11 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

What is the weird childish liberal need to reduce everything to good guys and bad guys and what's "right and wrong" (as if we, the genocidal collective west could recognize either at this point) without ever looking into the facts, the history of a place or what the people living there have decided already. This is a conversation about geopolitics, about the logical and predictable working of state machinery. "Justified" is not a word that means anything in this field. You might as well hold up everything to weepily condemn the authoritarianism of physics. Something either is or it isn't. "Right" is a nonsense hueristic in this situation. Might makes reality.