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[–] nothacking@discuss.tchncs.de 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (9 children)

Blockchain is a great solution to a almost nonexistent problem. If you need a small, public, slow, append only, hard to tamper with database, then it is perfect. 99.9% of the time you want a database that is read-write, fast and private.

[–] ComradeKhoumrag@infosec.pub 1 points 1 year ago (6 children)

While applying it where most shitcoins have applied Blockchain, I agree it's all hype. But Blockchain doesn't solve a non-existent problem.

Trusting humans is an inherent security flaw. Blockchain solves that problem. You don't have to trust banks to not shortsell the housing market with your own money (causing a recession for the entire world) if you could cut humans out of the equation.

Forget money. Say the data that you want to be able to transact and operate on is health data instead of financial information. You could create a decentralized identity system based on people's biometric information. From there, you could automate and decentralize governance in general.

Suggesting Blockchain solves a non-existent problem is like suggesting Lemmy solves a non-existent problem

[–] OneCardboardBox@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Unrelated to the overall point you're trying to make, but shorts didn't cause the '08 recession. They just profited from it. The cause was banks treating mortgage backed securities as if they were an unsinkable asset class.

Relating things back to your point though, I'm not convinced that blockchains solve this. Take the crypto crash of spring/summer '22: You have a few products (TerraUSD/Luna, CEL token) "generating" yield that everyone (DEFI, CEFI, retail, institutions) piles on top of. Then that base layer of "value" turns out to be a naked emperor and there's a massive crash when everything based on that system is now backed by nothing. Rigid computerized rules are only as solid as the axioms that underpin them. You can decentralize the interpretation of rules, but somebody can always start with a flawed assumption and then it doesn't matter how reliable your decentralized system is.

As long as any asset can be rehypothecated into another, shinier asset, there's always a risk that the underlying asset is shit. It's no less true in crypto as in conventional banking.

[–] konodas@feddit.de 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

He did not claim that shorting caused the 08 crash, or am i missing something?

According to "the big short", the reason was that banks gave loans to people who could not really afford them in case of an unexpected drop in the housingmarket (mortage backed, as you say), bundled the loans into packages, went to rating agencies who gave best ratings for the packages, sold them to other institutions and then shorted them when they noticed that the market unexpectedly dropped, knowing people would not be able to pay back the loans in the packages. Which was completely reasonable, just somewhat unethical.

So, i think you could say it was an error of the rating agencies, as they underestimated the risk of a drop in the housing market when giving out the rating.

[–] OneCardboardBox@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

You don’t have to trust banks to not shortsell the housing market with your own money (causing a recession for the entire world)

The way I read this, it suggests that banks shorting the housing market with my deposits caused a global recession.

You're right about the ratings agencies (as far as I know, also from The Big Short), I was skipping over that for brevity.

[–] ComradeKhoumrag@infosec.pub 1 points 1 year ago

At the very least it compounded it. But didn't the banks that short it know the crash was going to happen? Why would an institution that large bet again the housing market, when the stigma was

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