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[–] laverabe@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago (14 children)

Why add a symbol that is almost solely used by totalitarian governments?

The hammer and sickle remains commonplace in self-declared socialist states, such as China, Cuba, North Korea, Laos, and Vietnam, but also some former Soviet republics following the dissolution of the Soviet Union, such as Belarus and Russia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hammer_and_sickle

Are there any countries that use the symbol that are actually nice places to live with good governments?

[–] Humana@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (8 children)
[–] laverabe@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (7 children)

The MPLA abandoned its former Marxist ideology at its third party congress in 1990, and declared social democracy to be its new platform.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angola#Angolan_Civil_War

[–] justinas@soc.dudenas.lt 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

@laverabe

Meaning is also contextual - different cultures put different meaning in symbols. To represent global ideas we need some consensus.

Baltic neo-pagans were rigtfully culturally suppressed from using swastika as "symbol of Sun". Hammer and sickle also signifies millions of deaths and decades of repressioms. It is even forbidden in some post soviet countries along with swastika. Lets find something less damaging to represent marxist ideas.

@Humana

[–] Humana@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I don't believe in these sweeping absolutes. Context and motive are important parts of any equation of what's "acceptable".

[–] justinas@soc.dudenas.lt 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

@Humana
I think the only system to believe in here is sensitivity to feelings and histories of others. If you don't mind triggering literally millions of people whose families were hurt by soviets, it is your choice.
And wouldn't you be against public display of swastikas if they are displayed by "neopagans" and supposedly symbolize Sun?

[–] Humana@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

Do you ban them from museums? Textbooks? Documentaries? No because they are in an appropriate context. I would never wear or display a swastika and I feel disgusted to see one displayed by anyone with pride. Context and motive matter...

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