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I'm a bit dumb when it comes to politics, what is alt-left fascism?
"why do you want communism?"
"because I want to tell people I disagree with to shut up, at gunpoint. also I love uniforms and the general aesthetics of the USSR. also some economist from 200 years ago said it's what's next, so we gotta"
so not to do with any actual communism, egalitarianism, etc, or any actual left stuff, or people not dying on the streets anymore, or liberation of thd human spirit; just red star brand reactionary bullshit. I prefer their yeast.
And if you question them, they'll whine that you haven't read their list of a dozen, esoteric books, so clearly you don't know anything.
But if you ask them to make a coherent point from one of those books, they can't. Apparently the only way to understand their concept is to read a million words on it.
In reality it's just anti-West, pro Russia and China.
As someone who used to be in those circles, it wasn't always like that but quickly devolved into it. And I went along with it not even really because I believed everything that was there but because that was where all my friends were, and I tried questioning some of the principles but was then met with cold responses like "why are you questioning us?" And so I kind of just went along with everything. It took me a long time to get de-radicalized, but it's something to keep in mind that a lot of what keeps communities bound like that has nothing to do with the politics and everything to do with maintaining social connections. Which isn't to excuse any of it, but just provide a succinct explanation for how and why they proliferate.
I should actually be using the term "far left", as after research, as far as I can tell "alt left" is a term used by alt rights (i.e. neo Nazis, white supremacists and the likes) as a knee jerk reaction to whoever calls them alt right. My bad on that.
Examples of far left governments are China and the USSR, with policies that concentrate power at the government and makes it difficult for people to hold power and have a voice.
As for fascism, it was historically considered inherent to far right governments, but some argue that far left governments that fit most of the characteristics of fascism should also be described as such, hence far left fascism, but it could also be described as far left authoritarianism.
I wouldn't call those far left at all personally. authoritarianism and fascism are blanketly not leftist systems of government
The concept of a tankie is a person with the cognitive dissonance necessary to both have majority leftist ideology yet still believe in and support authoritarian governments
In my country, we simply call them "authoritarian communists" or, still today, "stals", for "stalinists".
Right, my above comment was a bit disjointed. The vocabulary gets a bit vague when it comes to putting a political spectrum on a 1D axis.
My concern with my comment is that I wouldn't know where to put, e.g., the Chinese government on the political axis. It's both communist-like yet authoritarian.
haha You're all right. I think something like the Chinese government is definitely one of the more difficult ones. It has its roots in communism, but at this point it's very much a capitalist autocracy with high social investment and surveillance. authoritarian for aure
China is right wing. In the extreme. They have centralized authority with strong top-down hierarchies. There is nothing leftist about them in the least.
in fact, left stand for equality and right stand for liberty. That's all.
This makes no sense. Those are the same thing. You do not have one without the other. The right is about neither. The right is purely “do what we say”. Nothing more and nothing less.
nobody would call them far left. it's not particularly far left. its authoritarian, even the political compass has more nuance here, cmon man.
I've seem many people from Europe refer to communist parties and Russia as far left because they do embody certain socialist ideas that are leftist but take it well beyond the point of being a good thing, so in this regard yes they are far left. Thing is you absolutely can go way too far with any philosophy. I do agree that what they did with the political compass is good though because it reflects the actual nature of being an extremist socially while also representing the economic value, though in these situations they are still very far to the left of countries with economies that aren't exclusively controlled by state (North Korea is a great example).
There is no such thing. It’s just fascism. That they try to call themselves leftist makes no difference to the objective facts or fundamental definitions of the political spectrum.
It’s like when rightists try to claim they are all about freedom, while advocating for fascist policies. If you advocate for fascist policies, you are right wing and a fascist. The labels you are attempting to appropriate are inconsequential.